Cannon Carriage questions

[de_lok]

Here is another link to a cannon/carriage build of a British 6 pounder (scaled down). The barrel is 35 inches in length and 1-1/4 bore, wheels are 30 inch diameter and overall length is 74 inches. Lots of pictures, fun read............................
 
http://www.kingsnavy.com/Basher/Basher.htm
 
 
Dewayne

[Double D]

Here is another link to a cannon/carriage build of a British 6 pounder (scaled down). The barrel is 35 inches in length and 1-1/4 bore, wheels are 30 inch diameter and overall length is 74 inches. Lots of pictures, fun read............................
 
http://www.kingsnavy.com/Basher/Basher.htm
 
 
Dewayne

Thanks Dewayne for posting that.  That carriage is not historically correct but is looks  good, very good.  That is the point I am rying to make make, it does not have to be historically accurate to look good.   That longer trail looks so much better.

[Cannoneer]

I understand where you guys are coming from, but 800 dollars a wheel pretty much means i dont get a cannon at all.  So its either find a way to get "close enough" (for me, not for reenactors) or dont build a thing.   How do these look, they came from a link listed in the stickies.
 
They are rated at 500 pounds a piece. have 12 fellows and are 2 inches wide.  the hubs might be a bit small at 7 3/4 by 6 1/2 but they at least look more appropriate and support the weight.
 

 

 

 

 

Welcome aboard, Indygunworks! I think you meant to say that these wheels have 12 spokes (6 felloes), which would be the correct number of spokes for British wheels used on flask trail carriages of the era you're talking about. It's also probable that our rebellious colonial ancestors copied the English model when they made artillery wheels. In America, fourteen spoked artillery wheels came about at a later date, most likely influenced by the French model.

[Indygunworks]

Here is another link to a cannon/carriage build of a British 6 pounder (scaled down). The barrel is 35 inches in length and 1-1/4 bore, wheels are 30 inch diameter and overall length is 74 inches. Lots of pictures, fun read............................
 
http://www.kingsnavy.com/Basher/Basher.htm
 
 
Dewayne

Thanks for the link, it had alot of good stuff in it.  That is one of the cannons that just look akwardly small to me, but it still helped w/ some ideas.  if i am going to go w/ 48 inch wheels i will probably want the trail 6' 6"   esp since i want more of a flat spot up top.  I just dont like the way some of these 18th centry trails angle straight downward... it seems that would be putting ALOT more stress on the cap squares that what needs to be there.  I have some cardboard that i am going to try and cut some trails out of and see how the look.  I really wish i could find a lumber supplier that i wouldnt have to laminate with, but i have tried countless places and nobody has what i want.

[de_lok]

Here is another link to a cannon/carriage build of a British 6 pounder (scaled down). The barrel is 35 inches in length and 1-1/4 bore, wheels are 30 inch diameter and overall length is 74 inches. Lots of pictures, fun read............................
 
http://www.kingsnavy.com/Basher/Basher.htm
 
 
Dewayne

Thanks for the link, it had alot of good stuff in it.  That is one of the cannons that just look akwardly small to me, but it still helped w/ some ideas.  if i am going to go w/ 48 inch wheels i will probably want the trail 6' 6"   esp since i want more of a flat spot up top.  I just dont like the way some of these 18th centry trails angle straight downward... it seems that would be putting ALOT more stress on the cap squares that what needs to be there.  I have some cardboard that i am going to try and cut some trails out of and see how the look.  I really wish i could find a lumber supplier that i wouldnt have to laminate with, but i have tried countless places and nobody has what i want.

 
Indygunworks,
 
Actually what you need to do to end up with a carriage that looks and functions properly is scale it to the dimensions of your barrel as compared to the full size model you intend to replicate (lite 6 pounder). Don't fret this, you are in the right place , many here, myself included, will help you with the math to come to an accurate scale for your barrel. It is always better to put it on paper and prove your design before buying material or spending many hours working on parts that have to be "scrapped". The cannon in the link above is "small", but the carriage is scaled appropriately to its barrel. It is also a good example of what can be done with common tools and materials in the home shop on a budget. Laminating wood parts in cannon carriage construction is common practice these days, and when done right will work fine. A good source for thick cut wood (over 2 inches) is mantle boards.
 
You stated in your first post that your barrel was 46 inches long. Is that total length (including cascable) or length of barrel only (breech to muzzle)? Could you post another picture of your barrel (looking straight down with enough clarity we can see the numbers on the tape) with a tape measure next to it (starting at the muzzle) so we can see the total length, and list the  muzzle and breech diameters. With this information it will be easy to calculate things like trail length and wheel diameter. The best part is if you don't like the scale you can always "tweek" it !
 
Dewayne

[Indygunworks]

I do not have the barrel yet, in fact its not even ordered since i want to make sure the whole project is affordable start to finish, and that i will end up with what i want and not a comprimise of what i want before i spend a dime.  Here is a link to lots of pictures of the barrel.  Also, i started another thread where i am talking more about dimensions and apperances, perhaps its best to take this conversation there.   the barrel is 46 from breach to cascabel.
here is the link
http://smg.beta.photobucket.com/user/threepdr/library/Hern%20Iron%20Works%20Cannon%20Tube/#/user/threepdr/library/Hern%20Iron%20Works%20Cannon%20Tube?&_suid=135965277483606594119182811003
 
and another w/ some more information.
 
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/268266/
 
and a copy of the email from hern
 
Good Afternoon Nick,
 
I enjoyed talking about cannons with you yesterday. Our 3-Pdr Verbruggen barrel is a great looking barrel with sharply detailed bands. It is 46 1/2" long from muzzle to rear of cascabel, weighs 260 lbs, and has 5 7/8" muzzle dia, 7 1/4" breech diameter, 2 1/4" trunnion dia., 6 1/2" cheek spacing, and trunnion span of 11 1/2". I have included some photos of the Verbruggen, including some in-process photos prior to painting to show the detail of the barrel casting.

[Cannon Cocker]

I really wish i could find a lumber supplier that i wouldnt have to laminate with, but i have tried countless places and nobody has what i want.

Google Sawmills.  I live in the Chicago suburbs (no forests for hundreds of years).  You wouldn't think there would be a sawmill within 1000 miles, but I found one.  This hobby is as much about investigation and innovation as it is shooting....maybe more. 

[campbellcannon]

Hi my name is lawrence campbell  of campbell cannon and carriage works . I designed the cannon barrel master pattern .and I let Hern use it .I cast bronze not iron .the cheeks need to be 2.25 " thick for your carriage. I would love to help with info for your carriage .spanishcannon@gmail.com