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Recoil question????
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:29:16 AM »
I have a 12" .460 S&W with a 2" break and it kicks like hell, almost to the point where it isn't fun to shoot and I can't seem to keep the scope on it. It keeps comming loose after several shots. I see a lot of guys on here that shoot handgun barrels chambered in rifle cartridges and I'm currious about how bad the recoil is from say a 30-06 or other larger rounds. Anyone have any trouble keeping the scopes and bases tight? Also, if you are shooting a heavy recoiling handgun what kind of bases and rings are you using. I've been told that aluminum is better for heavy recoil since it's lighter and doesn't put as much stress on the screws which makes sence but I would think that it wouldn't hold up as well as steel.
Thanks, Mike

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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 04:38:10 AM »
Lots of guys on here have a heavy hitter with scope set ups that seem to hold up ok. I know that some use the TSOB 6 screw base / 3 ring set up.
I had Leupold QRW rings on a weaver base, for a 12" mag barrel. After a handful of shots from full power 330gr loads, both rings were broken. Leupold replaced them, but I have not tried them again since. I now use a Skinner peep sight.
 
What scope set up are you using, and where is it coming loose?

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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2013, 10:56:37 AM »
I have a 12" .460 S&W with a 2" break and it kicks like hell, almost to the point where it isn't fun to shoot and I can't seem to keep the scope on it. It keeps comming loose after several shots. I see a lot of guys on here that shoot handgun barrels chambered in rifle cartridges and I'm currious about how bad the recoil is from say a 30-06 or other larger rounds. Anyone have any trouble keeping the scopes and bases tight? Also, if you are shooting a heavy recoiling handgun what kind of bases and rings are you using. I've been told that aluminum is better for heavy recoil since it's lighter and doesn't put as much stress on the screws which makes sence but I would think that it wouldn't hold up as well as steel.
Thanks, Mike
It's probably the fulcrum effect and easy to fix.  See http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/recoilpr.htm

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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 01:24:12 PM »
Was a long time serious user of all the heaviest hitters/wildcats on Contender's, and up to a 10" 416 Rigby on the Encore (was already long out of the Encore game before the big S&W cartridges came along), and never used brakes (I actually hate them on any handgun, but all rifles as well except the 50BMG's).
   
IMO perceived recoil is a product of technique or lack of it... but good technique can reduce what is perceived by the shooter and turn beasts into pussy cats.  The more real recoil one generates the more the scope and scope mounting requirements are.   Bases that fit barrel contour extact, screws snug (but not necessarily torque wrenched or with thread lock), rings that get 100% contact on scope tubes (lapped or inserts) are minimums.   Some need 6 screw steel bases, some 3 or 4 rings to save most scopes.   But scopes that will take it as well better, with only a few noteables that will take the heaviest loads forever.   Aluminum rings are easier on scopes than steel rings is a fact that JD proved out decades ago.   And all getting periodic inspection, preferably right after each time they are shot a lot to be good to go for the next time.   Nothing worse than going the time and expense to go shoot/hunt and have a failure crop up and ruin the trip.
 
Only scope I ever blew up was mounted exactly right.  It was a Leupold on a 14" 375JDJ, and they are more a pussy cat than a beast.  Didn't last very long from new, so probably an individual scope that was destined to fail sooner or later anyway.   My all time favorite scopes for the biggest/baddest was the TPC's after someone finally talked me into buying a brand I would never have bought on my own.   Long discontinued, but I had a bunch of them and nothing I had hurt any of them through countless thousands of hot loads shot on my biggest/baddest.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 03:20:41 PM »
whose break do you have on your barrel ? i shoot a 13" 454  with Mag-na-ports
shoots like a 44 spc also a 17" 308win had set up as a pistol recoil was less then
my 454 also has ports. i have T/C Maxima Rings and Base on them both
have shot hundreds of rounds out of my 454 no problem [size=78%] [/size]
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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 12:38:43 AM »
I have a 12" .460 S&W with a 2" break and it kicks like hell, almost to the point where it isn't fun to shoot and I can't seem to keep the scope on it. It keeps comming loose after several shots. I see a lot of guys on here that shoot handgun barrels chambered in rifle cartridges and I'm currious about how bad the recoil is from say a 30-06 or other larger rounds. Anyone have any trouble keeping the scopes and bases tight? Also, if you are shooting a heavy recoiling handgun what kind of bases and rings are you using. I've been told that aluminum is better for heavy recoil since it's lighter and doesn't put as much stress on the screws which makes sence but I would think that it wouldn't hold up as well as steel.
Thanks, Mike


1.  You are not the first who has found the 460 S&W Magnum not too fun to shoot.  You already have a brake (not a break) on your barrel.  When I shoot mine, I wear foam ear plugs and ear muffs, I put tape on the strategic areas of my fingers where it tends to take off skin, wear a weight lifters glove and, if shooting off a bench, put a foam pad under my right elbow.  Using proper protective gear can go a long ways to making your shooting more pleasant.


2.  Scope and scope mount problems are common with the 460 S&W Magnum.  If you want a scope mounting system that won't shoot loose, end your problems by getting an SSK Industries' T'SOB 6 screw base with 4 rings.  You would also be well advised to use a good scope because even it will probably break after awhile so you'll need a good warranty (hint; Leupold).  By the way, I think the theory of aluminum bases not putting as much stress on the screws is baloney.  If you send your barrel and scope to SSK Industries, they'll even install the scope for you.


3.  The recoil of an Encore handgun chambered in 30/06 Springfield is quite a bit less than that of a 460 S&W Magnum.  A braked 375 H&H Magnum has recoil similar to a 460 S&W Magnum while a braked 500 S&W Magnum is a little worse.

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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 03:50:59 AM »
Well honestly it sounds like more trouble than it's worth to me. I might give it another try before I sell it though.

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Re: Recoil question????
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 08:51:08 AM »
Well honestly it sounds like more trouble than it's worth to me. I might give it another try before I sell it though.
Before you give it another try, at least do this: (1) make sure none of the four mount screws are bottoming out; (2) seat the ring's recoil lugs against the forward part of the mount's recoil lugs and not the rear part of the lug slots.