DHS practice targets. Do they look evil to you??

[mcwoodduck]

I think the point to those targets is looks can be deceiving. Take Jodi Arias, she certainly doesn't look like a threat either, but we all know what's she's capable of.

Jodi Arias sounds like a case for local authorities rather than DHS. So much for using that example to justify DHS shooting at those targets for practice.

No she is the perfect example. According to the company that makes these targets....

This product line was  originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split second decisions could lead to an unnecessary loss of life

This tells me that these targets were originally intended for your so called "local authorities" as opposed to the DHS, as you want us to believe.


Pregnant women kill innocent people using firearms. Women with children kill innocent people using firearms. Old women and old men kill innocent folks using a firearm. Psychosis and mental illness doesn't go away when you are pregnant or have children. Women are not immune, nor are old men. Many a police officer has been killed when responding to a domestic dispute because they thought this or were hesitant to defend themselves when confronted by the same. Drug dealers and other criminals use children as runners all the time. Many of these young kids have firearms on them and are not afraid to use them. You expect a LEO to take a bullet and die, leave his wife a widow and children fatherless because the threat pointing a gun at them with their finger on the trigger is not a 6' tall black crackhead wearing a hoodie? Get real. That is as much fantasy as thinking these targets are preparing the DHS to gun down innocent people for no reason. NONE of those folks pictured in those targets are a situation of innocence. They all are examples of a deadly threat. Hesitating to defend yourself means they win and you lose....is that what you are promoting?

I will not argue with you that different people flip out and you need to practice seeing those targets.
I question a few things.
DHS should not be involved in a local person going nuts with a gun.  Local police, state police, sheriffs departments and some times the FBI would be involved.  DHS would be involved if this were a terrorist cell.  Do they think that some white group is going to go nuts on the streets of America?
And why are the targets racist?  Why no people of color?  Why not hispanics in the mix, why are there not any black people, middle eastern, and Asians.  Are they not as likely to be terrorists as any other group?  Wouldn't black officers need to desensitize them self to shooting a balck kid or Black pregnate lady or Black geezer with a duck gun?

[ironglow]

  Common sense tells us that the targets would be of the "enemy"..    So, why not the most likely enemies?
 
  Wouldn't the pictures below, be more logical targets?

[jcn59]

Duck, The people who contacted their congresspeople and administration and spoke their thoughts on the 2A. were primarily  white.  People of color anticipate benefits from DHS attacking us affluent (?) whites.  Minorities and other entitlement people of color reelected BO.  DHS isn't going to kill the people who reelected BO, they are going to kill  US!   How could it be any more clear?  We are the armed resistance!

[mcwoodduck]

Duck, The people who contacted their congresspeople and administration and spoke their thoughts on the 2A. were primarily  white.  People of color anticipate benefits from DHS attacking us affluent (?) whites.  Minorities and other entitlement people of color reelected BO.  DHS isn't going to kill the people who reelected BO, they are going to kill  US!  We are the armed resistance!  How could it be any more clear?

We have the liberals in other threads saying we need equality.  Well lets have an equal playing field, there should be a wide variety of actors employed to produce the targets.  Why should the only ones getting a pay check as a model or actor is the white people?  Shouldn't the Hispanics and blacks be up in arms that non of their people are targets?  Where is Jesse Jackson, Mayor Viragosa and Al Sharpton screaming about federal bias?  And why they are being discriminated against as well as the JDL, and the Muslium groups not yelling?
And were there any tazer holes in the target?  shouldn't the kid and the pregnant lady be tazered?  Maybe the mother / pediphile with the kid on th playground be tazered so as not to hit the innocent kid?  Bullets turn in bodies. 
I also do not remember seeing any of the tazer shotgun rounds on the PO's that show every type and grain of the most popular calibers.

[ironglow]

  There are some what..500 or so murdered in Chicago every year?  .. Most of which are killed by black gang members holding handguns the wrong way.  With other cities such as Detroit, NYC, Philly and La not too far behind, should not the photo below be the  #1 DHS target?

[mcwoodduck]

  There are some what..500 or so murdered in Chicago every year?  .. Most of which are killed by black gang members holding handguns the wrong way.

It may be the wrong way but seems to be effective at hitting people.  May not be the people they are aiming at but they hit people. 
Do you think we could get more out of the DHS ammo and targets if we round up all the gang members in Chicago and teach them how to shoot so they will only kill each other and not the innocent by standard next to the target?
Also remember that Chicago has been Democrat for over 100 years and has some o the strictist gun laws in the country and have one of the highest murder rates.  Like DC under the Clinton years.  Murder Capital.  Somehow you do not have a Republican controled city with the fewest gun laws making the top 10 in the murder list.

[bilmac]

I didn't know any major cities were controlled by republicans.

[mcwoodduck]

I didn't know any major cities were controlled by republicans.

I think Dallas and Fort Worth are.
 

[buck460XVR]

I will not argue with you that different people flip out and you need to practice seeing those targets.
I question a few things.
DHS should not be involved in a local person going nuts with a gun.  Local police, state police, sheriffs departments and some times the FBI would be involved.  DHS would be involved if this were a terrorist cell.  Do they think that some white group is going to go nuts on the streets of America?
And why are the targets racist?  Why no people of color?  Why not hispanics in the mix, why are there not any black people, middle eastern, and Asians.  Are they not as likely to be terrorists as any other group?  Wouldn't black officers need to desensitize them self to shooting a balck kid or Black pregnate lady or Black geezer with a duck gun?

Odds are, DHS would not be involoved with a local citizen going nuts with a gun. Odds are tho, they would be involved with a terrorist or other organized threat to us involving folks impersonating locals tho, eh? Again these are generic targets depicting non-traditional threats. Same ones used by the local police.

If you would have gone to the website of the manufacturer before they pulled these targets, you would have seen that in that series, there were indeed other races and scenarios. It's just that those did not make it on Prison Planet's and other tinfoil hat websites.......gee, I wonder why. Could it be they would not help their claims of mass conspiracy or is it that those folks just considered them more "traditional" and a real threat? Isn't also well known that many agencies have changed their traditional black  silhouette targets to blue because of claimed "racism'? Wouldn't this also be a reason that the race of majority in our country would be included in target design?

As for jcn59's mention of the Kent State tragedy.  The Kent State tragedy was not a intentional killing of innocent Americans ordered by Liberals. It was caused by  SGT. Myron Pryor firing upon students with his .45ACP pistol. It was never determined why. 29 National Guardsmen pulled their triggers that day......none of them, supposedly(altho many believe that was a conspiracy also),  received an order to shoot. The Guardsmen were ordered there by the Republican Governor Jim Rhodes at the time. The students were protesting the announcement of the "Cambodian Incursion" by President Richard Nixon.

[ironglow]

  Concerning Kent state...I asked then as I do now;  Were they told to halt..and did they..    The decision should be simple, we heard the halt shouted on the news reports..so either;
 
 A)  They were ordered to halt..and they did.
                       or
 
 B) They were ordered to halt..and they didn't..
 
    If  the correct answer is A), the troops were at fault.     If the correct answer is B), then the students were the perps..

[SHOOTALL]

I'm consertive but when students have commited no felony and run hault being shouted is no reason to shoot them. The guard was acting as police and had a right to protect themselves only not become judge and jury.