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Offline PAndy

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« on: February 10, 2004, 02:48:21 AM »
Hi,
I'm not shooting silhouette these days, so I don't see what is on the line.  The new rules seem less restrictive for hunting rifles.  What models are showing up in competition?  Barrel taper would seem to rule out the Biathlon Basic, and maybe the NS 522.  What about the Savage heavy barrel laminated model...it's barrel is stepped?  I assume after market stocks are now legal, and wondered if more 10/22 rifles were showing up in hunter class.  Is there a link to the equipment list from the 2003 nationals?  Thanks guys.  I think about silhouette shooting every winter off season...maybe this will be the year I get back out there.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2004, 08:56:27 AM »
PAndy:

Anschutz 1712's and Sako Finnfires, Remington 541's are the dominant rifles in smallbore hunting rifle categories.

The rulles allow for a max. weight of 8.5 lbs.; the barrel should be tapered and not longer than 26 inches; the trigger pull must be at least 2.0 lbs. and the stock must be of a "hunting" configuration.

The rules have been stretched, as they will always be, but the NRA Silhouette Committee, addressing competitiors' concerns at the members meeting in Ridgway last year clarified the following:

a) No external barrel tunners are allowed
b) No "thumbhole" stocks are allowed
c) The distance between the bore and the scope's centerlines must not
    exceed 1.5 inches

I don't know if "stepped" rifle barrels can sqweak by as "tapered".
Lilja Barrels makes a popular replacement barrel for the Sako Finnfire. This incorporates larger diameter dimensions while following the taper rule and adds about 10 extra ounces of weight.

I do not believe there are restrictions on scope magnification, but most folks use 15X to 24X.

I hope this helps. :cb2:
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2004, 10:19:55 AM »
Jake,

You posted the following in regard to the "Ridgway" 2003 Nationals clarification concerning the Hunter SB rules:

"c) The distance between the bore and the scope's centerlines must not exceed 1.5 inches.”

That is a major departure for the preexisting rule.  The 2001 Rule Book states:

"Scopes many not be more than 1.5 inches above the rifle, as measured from the top of the receiver to the underside of the scope tube."

Are you sure your "c" from above is correct?  If so I doubt that a scope would fit on a rifle with a 40mm objective lens.  My 1710 has a 24X Leupold on it.  The action is 1.18" in diameter and the scope is 1.0" in diameter.  If we take 1/2 of the sum of those diameters which would be subtracted from 1.5" we have only 0.41" remaining.  That is the maximum distance the scope tube could be above the top of the receiver.  A scope will not fit other than a much smaller objective lens scope.

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Dan Theodore
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2004, 11:15:44 AM »
Dan:

You are right on the money, Dan. Thank you for catching that.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2004, 04:59:56 AM »
Here's the new Hunter rules
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/rules_images/rul_silh_rifle_04.pdf


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Jake,

You posted the following in regard to the "Ridgway" 2003 Nationals clarification concerning the Hunter SB rules:

"c) The distance between the bore and the scope's centerlines must not exceed 1.5 inches.”

That is a major departure for the preexisting rule.  The 2001 Rule Book states:

"Scopes many not be more than 1.5 inches above the rifle, as measured from the top of the receiver to the underside of the scope tube."

Are you sure your "c" from above is correct?  If so I doubt that a scope would fit on a rifle with a 40mm objective lens.  My 1710 has a 24X Leupold on it.  The action is 1.18" in diameter and the scope is 1.0" in diameter.  If we take 1/2 of the sum of those diameters which would be subtracted from 1.5" we have only 0.41" remaining.  That is the maximum distance the scope tube could be above the top of the receiver.  A scope will not fit other than a much smaller objective lens scope.

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Dan Theodore
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2004, 02:12:45 PM »
Years ago we were shooting light weight standard rifles for hunter.  The scores were lower than they are now.  Who can get too wraped up in this?  They need to make a set of rules and stick with them.  This changing every year is a bunch of crap.  Everyone says the hunter class is for entry level guns to compete.  How many shooters out there have a $1100 22 cal hunter and a $800 scope they are goint to show up with at their first match?  We need to have some sensible rules we can live with and let the new shooter show up in B class with his $200 off the shelf thing.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2004, 05:18:52 PM »
The NS 522 is allowed in both classes by special decree as  long as it makes weight.  

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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2004, 01:34:37 AM »
Elgin Gates wrote a book years ago called "Metallic Silhouette Shooting" or something like that. It is 99% handguns.  But, he does an excellent job of outlining the reasoning behind an 'unlimited' category and a 'factory' category.  Have the factory (hunter rifle) category to make the sport accessible, and have the high tech heavy gun category so the gun cranks can tinker and play around.  He used some of the practical pistol competitions as examples of how stock gun competitions turn into technology contests if you let it happen.  Like I said before, I have not shot silhouette for years, but I do like the idea of the older rules for hunting rifle.  Hard to put the genie back in the bottle.  Equipment rule changes cost competitors a lot of money!
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2004, 07:32:04 AM »
As with most competitive shooting disciplines, what often results is an equipment chase.  I have been guilty of this myself.  I used to shoot 2 different rifles for HP Sil.  But this winter, I decided to simplify matters.  I sold my hunter rifle, and rebarreled my heavy rifle with a lighter, tapered barrel.  The unit weighs 9lbs., 7.8 oz.  I will use it in both classes.  I just got tired of having all the different ammo, sight settings,  trigger pull differences, etc.   Blamethewind.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2004, 04:46:03 PM »
blame...

i'm afraid you are going to have problems getting past hp hunter rifle tech with a rifle that is just shy of a half pound over weight.  weight limit on hp hunter is 9lbs.  you might not want to use that particular rifle for both classes.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2004, 02:41:40 AM »
Ooops-  It weighs 8lbs. 15.8 oz.  Sometimes 9.5 lbs. gets stuck in my head.    I knew it was .5 oz. under.  Blamethewind.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2004, 05:48:04 AM »
Quote from: blamethewind
Ooops-  It weighs 8lbs. 15.8 oz.  Sometimes 9.5 lbs. gets stuck in my head.    I knew it was .5 oz. under.  Blamethewind.


If I read your note right your .2 under 8lbs 16oz or... 9Lbs even :eek:   Max weight in hunter is 8.5 Lbs or 8lbs 8oz.
Hope you have a typo or a big file  :grin:
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2004, 05:55:13 AM »
Check your facts.  It is 9.5 lbs in HP.  

Blamethwind.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2004, 06:00:29 AM »
I did it again.  I'm getting old.  It is 9 lbs. in HP for hunter.  I think it is 8.5 in smallbore.  Blamethewind.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2004, 09:33:23 AM »
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Check your facts.  It is 9.5 lbs in HP.  

Blamethwind.


Sorry I was thinking you were talking about Smallbore.  Should have read the whole thread :wink:
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