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Offline Dresden

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Re: Solids Or Soft Points For Grizzly Protection
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2013, 03:51:33 AM »
Shootall,


That must be why the British had gun bearers when they went hunting Lions and Tigers, a Webley round to the knee and run.

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Re: Solids Or Soft Points For Grizzly Protection
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2013, 07:35:00 PM »
I have only had experience with one bullet shooting Grizzlies.  I have used .30-06, .338 Win Mag, and .338/378 Weatherby Mag.  In the 06 I use 180gr Nosler Partitions.  In the .338s I use the same bullet in both guns.  The 250gr Nosler Partition.

30-06, I have only taken one Grizzly with the 06.  It was a broadside shot, at 50 yards.  The shot took out both lungs, and stopped on the far shoulder blade.  Bear spun, then took off running.  It ran about 60 yards, then went down. 

Using the .338s.  Shot broadside where no major bones were hit, complete pass through, hitting lungs and heart.  Bear stood there a moment then walked about 20 yards and laid down.  Shot from the side hitting the shoulder, broke both shoulders.  Hitting the spine from the side, if the hit is high, takes out a big chunk of skin and bone.  If low in the spine, sometimes the bullet exits sometimes it does not.  Depends on the range.  Either way, animal down on the spot.  Hitting the spine from above as the bear is running away, shattered 8 to 12 inches of bone.  Again animal down.  Shot behind the ear, angling slightly forward, blows out the far side of the skull.  (Scratch that trophy).

Nosler Partitions have always worked for me, so I have no reason to try other bullets.  So far 80 to 620 yards they have done the job.

Seen too many guys using .44 mags, and the bear still got them.  I feel .44 mags are way over rated.  I carry a .460 Smith and Wesson.

 
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Re: Solids Or Soft Points For Grizzly Protection
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2013, 10:15:36 AM »
A solid would be useless.  Bullet would pass through without expanding.  Just make a small hole in and a small hole out, leaving one pissed off Grizzly.  Ever seen what a Grizzly can do to a human when ticked off?  Ain't pretty.  Unless you can hit the brain, or the spine, solids are useless.  In my view, solids should be left at home.

In most cases the Grizzly already knows you are there.  You seldom get a shot where the bear is standing still.  If the bear is charging, they are hard to hit.  Especially a small target like the brain or spine.  #4 Buckshot would be far more effective. 
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Re: Solids Or Soft Points For Grizzly Protection
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2013, 11:43:16 AM »
Sourdough.
 
If you had used a Wide Flat Nose - non-expanding cast bullet of proper dia. and weight on any game animal, then you would know that, "A solid would be useless." is not always correct.
 
The difference is in the WFN bullet profile and in trueth, the wound channel and the distance this bullet will travel through a critter is simply awesome.  Plus, you don't need 2000fps to get the job done.
 
It took a big step of faith for me to let go of the many years long thought that it has to be an expanding bullet to put a game animal down, but now that I have been there and done that, personally seen the results and watched the critters reactions, well every thing I read about this type of bullet and it's great effectiveness is true in spades.
 
So, if we are talking about the typical round nose solids many times used in heavy stopping rifles,  you may well be correct, I have not been there and done that and have only what I have read to go by.
 
However, a heavy WFN non-expanding bullet of good dia. and weight, cast of an alloy that will not shatter on impact IS a different animal by far.
 
That Wide Flat Nose is the secret, and those bullets gives a wound channel all out of expectation for a expanding jacket bullet shooter/hunter.  This bullet has no need to expand, due to the size of the meplat.

One thing that has really surprised me is the hole in the near side hide.  Not the little tiny pencil sized or smaller hole typical of the jacketed, expanding hunting bullets, but a hole showing that the WFN bullet is doing it's job from the instant it impacts the critter's hide.
 
You don't need to take my word for it, there is plenty of info available on the Marlin Owners Forum (check the .444, 45/70 and 450Marlin sections), the Cast Boolits Forum and in the writtings of Randy Garrett - the ammo maker - and on the Beartooth Bullet web site and forum, plus plenty of other sources.
Then, also check out the writings of Veral Smith, of Lead Bullet Technology (LBT) on the web or buy his book on the use of cast bullets for hunting.
 
Check the web for cast bullet hunts with the 45/70 in Africa as well as the Marlin Owners forum about Afican hunts.
 
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