Author Topic: slipping rifle (Read 5476 times)

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #30 on:** January 14, 2013, 07:03:59 AM »

I'm still liking the AR pistol. [size=78%]I can't say I see much use for it outside of your scenario and it would be a serious cash outlay to have live in the trunk of the work car. [/size]

[size=78%]The Bull Pup design has much to offer as well. A Beretta Storm with a matching 92 series pistol (shared mags), The FN 5.7 pistol and rifle would certainly be an interesting combo, and Kel Tec has a budget priced selection to choose from. [/size]

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2013, 07:07:29 AM »

so you would be willing to tote an AR pistol and an AR rifle ?

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2013, 07:38:30 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 14, 2013, 07:07:29 AM

so you would be willing to tote an AR pistol and an AR rifle ?

Oh hells no. The pistol would be my go around if I were wanting a SBR. A semi auto Contender if you will. A rifle whomp in a pistol length gun.

Including the matching pistols in the above example was merely to point out the fact they were pistol cartridge rifles, and in the case of the Beretta the swap-able magazines. By and large I think pushing two pins on an AR gives the most bang for the buck when it comes to length stowed away. Deployed I would like the bull pup design.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #33 on:** January 14, 2013, 09:17:42 AM »

I will stick with a "normal" pistol cal. in either a bolt action or lever action but concede a Storm or the other two rifles that are similar would be nice to have but the cost of the other two is very high. A older camp 9 or camp 45 would also work.
I think simple anr rugged would be better than complex . Less expensive as the gun(s) will be in the truck when left unattended. It would seem like picking up a good police trade in in 38 or 357 mag and a use 357 mag bot=lt or lever gun would be a less expensive set up and workable . Say you have someone with you it would be easy to show them how to use either in a pinch.

MTNRGR · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2013, 11:36:37 AM »

I didn't read all the replies so this may have been suggested already......this is based on if I were traveling a long distance from home, over a days walk, and want to be as inconspicuous as possible because I am not in my back yard anymore I'm in someone else's now......
I would get a 28 inch double barrel shotgun, or even a single, there is no gun less "threatening" looking than that, the V.P even endorsed shotguns

for self defense. Then I would get the barrel inserts, .22lr all the way up to 30-30 take your pick get a few different common calibers, along with bird, buck and slugs thats a lot of options and if its a double barrel you can mix and match, maybe you come across some ammo while your evading that you happen to have an insert for. Also I would have a hacksaw in my vehicle, at the point that I am in evasion mode I'm probably not to worried about getting in trouble for having a short barrel there are bigger fish to fry, besides the 28" barrel was just for show anyways and the inserts dont use more of the barrel than they touch.

Thats my 2 cents.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** March 26, 2013, 01:55:43 AM »

As long as you have a truck to carry all the tubes that might work and the multi use is good. But the idea is to get home in a bad situation most likely walking. I would carry water , food etc before over loading with weapons as with one good weapon you can aquire more if needed. The idea is to go light , some offer to look like a bum or hobo using trash bags to cover your pack if you have one. An old duffle bag might be good as a short rifle could fit inside and a small revolver or pistol be close at hand.

MTNRGR · « **Reply #36 on:** March 26, 2013, 10:28:52 AM »

Ask John Rambo how the old duffle bag thing worked out for him, seems to me he drew a little attention to himself..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #37 on:** March 27, 2013, 07:23:14 AM »

well I would cover it with a garbage bag. But even open it might draw less attention than an Alice pack or the new stuff.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #38 on:** March 27, 2013, 07:32:40 AM »

From my observations you simply need to empty a trash can into a shopping cart. Bury the gun in that mess.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #39 on:** March 27, 2013, 07:49:19 AM »

I guess we each have a certian event in mind when we consider a crisis. We like to think our plan will cover them all but if it does concessions will be made. My concept of slipping is moving at times and thru. places so as to be undetected. But I know it won't be 100% or that if detected it will be by people who pose no threat all the time , reason for slipping rifle . If things get rough as some predict most myself included will bug in at home. That said depending on the crisis fuel may be hard to come by and foot travel a nessary pass time. Maybe a trip to check on family or neighbors or to barter for food or such.
Keep in mind after hurricanes in Fal. and La. etc weapons were taken when seen in Fla or just collected in la . So out of sight would be the plan for both man and weapon.

MTNRGR · « **Reply #40 on:** March 27, 2013, 08:43:30 AM »

I concur SHOOTALL, bug in is the plan, but I've definitely gotten complacent with my "just in case" bug out plan

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2013, 03:28:45 AM »

Not a rifle, but a KelTec PMR 30 pistol. Very light weight, mag holds 30 rounds of 22 WMR, and I have 4 mags= 120 rounds loaded and ready to go. Another 2 or 3 boxes of ammo can be carried very easily. This is for slipping around trouble, long shots are not needed, don't see the need to carry a rifle. The Sub- 2000 is an outstanding choice as well, very compact, has a variety of grip wells available to choose from for mag compatablity. Another choice could be one of the Rossi or Henry lever "handguns", easier to conceal than the rifle and lighter as well. DP

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** April 01, 2013, 06:47:23 AM »

in town a handgun may in fact be the best option but as you move to less populated areas something with longer reach mat be a welcome tool.

Couger · « **Reply #43 on:** April 02, 2013, 07:39:29 PM »

Quote

Not a rifle, but a KelTec PMR 30 pistol. Very light weight, mag holds 30 rounds of 22 WMR, and I have 4 mags= 120 rounds loaded and ready to go. Another 2 or 3 boxes of ammo can be carried very easily. This is for slipping around trouble, long shots are not needed, don't see the need to carry a rifle.

The Sub- 2000 is an outstanding choice as well, very compact, has a variety of grip wells available to choose from for mag compatablity ......

Not bad choices.
Went looking for a .22WMR in a Ruger 10/22 (or other magazine-fed) semi-auto .22WMR. Either atrociously or ridiculously high prices!

I too like the idea of the Marlin Camp .45 if it was still made.

Preferably in an even more powerful HG cartridge however.

blind ear · « **Reply #44 on:** April 03, 2013, 02:10:56 AM »

My slipping rifle will definitely be a handgun. I have a 22, 357, and a 44 that I have taken game or varmits at 100 yd with, all of them. They don't hold many rounds and may run short of power at times but no one ever knows that I am carrying one of them. ear

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2013, 02:25:38 AM »

That's not the point as you can still have a handgun. In all reality a good 22 LR pistol with 5-6 inch bbl. would be a good addition to any BOB along with 200 rounds of ammo it likes. Low recoil , low noise will kill most any critter and can be used for self defense. In the hands of someone who knows how to survive and evade trouble it might be the best. But we are talking slipping rifle when trouble can be or is very near. When you must travel thru. places of possible danger. When you must have something that can stop and attack. I had a Ruger 10-22 mag. very heavy gun for what it was. A 30 cal. carbine was better , weighed less and the ammo didn't take up that much more space and considering the extra shots needed with a 22 mag. it might be more weight efficient.

Couger · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2013, 01:32:18 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL

That's not the point as you can still have a handgun ...... But we are talking slipping rifle

"slipping rifle!"

"slipping"

"slipping"
what the he!! does slipping mean!?
[you're the first to invent your daffy-nition!]

What kind of language do you speak?
Something you're making up?

Ranger99 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2013, 01:41:52 PM »

just my own take, but i would
think that to mean slipping as
in moving along stealthy toward
your intended destination, without
interacting with anything or anybody
or being seen or noticed by anything
or anybody. totally nondescript. no
trading rounds. anybody over 40+
yards away passes you by because
of your stealth and concealment,
negating the need for a battle rifle
and accoutrements.

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2013, 04:11:59 PM »

Amen to the last post.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** April 04, 2013, 01:52:51 AM »

Quote from: Ranger99 on April 03, 2013, 01:41:52 PM

just my own take, but i would
think that to mean slipping as
in moving along stealthy toward
your intended destination, without
interacting with anything or anybody
or being seen or noticed by anything
or anybody. totally nondescript. no
trading rounds. anybody over 40+
yards away passes you by because
of your stealth and concealment,
negating the need for a battle rifle
and accoutrements.

You put the words in my mouth

Thanks for such an accurate description. Being from the South and hunting sections of legal land with sections of posted land between one often must slip across from one to the other so the description seem logical to me

. It would be much the same in a crisis not being noticed would be the goal. Much like the old scout sniper , his job was more to collect information than to kill someone. His information was only good if the enemy did not know he had it. Consider the information a person could bring back to his home area if he slipped in from say 50 miles out. He might have a good idea how to prepare for what is coming. He may have a grip on how much time it will take to get help in. I have a friend who worked in one city and called home a farm in a valley in the mountains almost 200 miles away. He had every intent to try and make it home in an emergency even if it meant walking. He had some considerations to deal with - rivers , he would head west leaving the coast and wide rivers behind . His valley is the third valley from where he worked- so he would need to find a pass or be in for some hard climbing , he would use less traveled roads and travel at night. He had figured out how long it would take and how much food he could carry. Winter would be the hardest more food and river crossing. He knew he would have to pick up food on the way fishing/hunting . He had canned food and dry food and maybe a MRE or two. A good field knife , Leatherman took , meds , small first aid kit and 30 cal. carbine with ammo. He also carried a pocket gun. When mapping out his route he tried to stay direct but also miss population areas as much as possible. We talked about it several times and it seemed doable but might take 2 weeks depending on how fast he could travel at night. He was not planning on setting up any kind of campsite so nothing to do so was carried. He would be slipping home past others intent in not allowing outsiders to invade them and comprise their safety. In times of crisis just getting close to some one with the flu could get you killed. So slipping past with out contact is best for all in some/most cases. Note nothing really illegal is intended just avoiding confrontation if at all possible in a high stress time. Avoiding authority in any form also might be a good idea as their idea of your safety may not match yours and they may feel you are a threat to locals they have to live with. In his case avoiding the hordes leaving the big East coast cities will be a problem if he leaves to late .
Most of us will not be able to tote a ton of equipment , food and weapons in such a crisis. We will be lucky to make it with a bare minimum of stuff . Any rim fire ammo that gets wet could become useless so even though it would be helpful securing food is it worth the risk when rain and river crossings are likely ? Maybe a good 22 LR pistol and some ammo would be nice as the second gun if you could stand the extra weight .

Couger · « **Reply #50 on:** April 04, 2013, 03:15:58 PM »

Quote from: Ranger99

just my own take, but i would
think that to mean slipping as
in moving along stealthy toward
your intended destination, without
interacting with anything or anybody
or being seen or noticed by anything
or anybody. totally nondescript ......

"slipping by" without contact or trading rounds ......

Mmm...kay! I'd call that being stealthy and even sneaky!

Whatever!

I will agree however, NOTHING illegal is being espoused
by anyone who sounds simply like they want to get home
with as little (or even NO) trouble if possible.

That would be my goal too,
even to limiting my travel at night when its dark -sleeping and hiding by day.

Digressing .....
What about a new thread
(about techniques and resources we may be unaware of?);

topic:
"How does one stay [situationally] AWARE
of the news and current events?"

So we are not EVER caught flatfooted and totally by surprise?

Can anyone imagine somehow being caught TOTALLY by surprise?

(I cannot imagine being "totally surprised" by current events, altho I don't always foresee how issues will come up in the public forum - like gun control (example) being driven by 6year-olds being massacred driving the "debate?" Of course the demoncraps and HYPOCRAPIC party want gun confescation.

But who would have known 6 months sgo we'd be where we are now?
(as U.S. Citizens?)
So how do we [always] "stay aware?"
How do we promote a "Paul Revere moment!?"
(if / when need be?)

mattmillerrx · « **Reply #51 on:** April 04, 2013, 03:38:05 PM »

I like the concept and agree the .357 would fit the bill. This has become my favorite round over the years. I had been thinking about the 77/357 before the gun racks were cleared...will likely pick one up, if I find one.

That said looking at my current inventory between weight and size, it would likely be a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 or a marlin 94 in 44 mag. I have been considering having the 94 turned into a take down gun.

I think a take down rifle might also be a big plus here (for the storage in the car part and any town were the gun would be better off hidden in a pack than carried openly). If you could always slip through this would not matter, but there may be time you have to move through a populated area.

Couger · « **Reply #52 on:** April 04, 2013, 05:23:34 PM »

One truck-gun/walk-me-home-piece I am considering uses a Glock lower assy with a Mec-Tech upper, but it isn't available in .357 Mag! Which I kind of wish it was!

Ideally for such a role I'd like a rimless .357 Magnum
(which might be a lot like the old .351 Winchester Self-Loading, perhaps?)

Its easy to see why a levergun in .357 Mag might appeal to some folks
(if they like leverguns).

But regardless of best choices for a walk-me-home-piece
(or 'PSC' => personal survival carbine, or personal emergency carbine?),

having a separate .22LR/rimfire rifle or handgun seems like a must have item (like a knife)
in one's kit even for (only) small game collecting.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #53 on:** April 05, 2013, 01:49:14 AM »

Digressing .....
What about a new thread
(about techniques and resources we may be unaware of?);I tend to listen to the Radio instead of CD's when on the road. Also I listen to live broadcast as much as possible not pre recorded . First thing in the AM after shutting off the alarm clock I turn on the RADIO to the news channel .

topic:
"How does one stay [situationally] AWARE
of the news and current events?"
So we are not EVER caught flatfooted and totally by surprise?

9/11 caught most off guard , it would be near impossible to be up to date on events . Reason to prepare. Even getting real time news often there would be little or no time to prepare to move out or get home as the case may be.

Can anyone imagine somehow being caught TOTALLY by surprise?

(I cannot imagine being "totally surprised" by current events, altho I don't always foresee how issues will come up in the public forum - like gun control (example) being driven by 6year-olds being massacred driving the "debate?" Of course the demoncraps and HYPOCRAPIC party want gun confescation. this can only get worst[/font]

But who would have known 6 months sgo we'd be where we are now?
(as U.S. Citizens?)
So how do we [always] "stay aware?"
How do we promote a "Paul Revere moment!?"
(if / when need be?) Here on GB is a good way to pass news .[/i]

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #54 on:** April 05, 2013, 01:51:29 AM »

Quote from: mattmillerrx on April 04, 2013, 03:38:05 PM

I like the concept and agree the .357 would fit the bill. This has become my favorite round over the years. I had been thinking about the 77/357 before the gun racks were cleared...will likely pick one up, if I find one.

That said looking at my current inventory between weight and size, it would likely be a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 or a marlin 94 in 44 mag. I have been considering having the 94 turned into a take down gun.

I think a take down rifle might also be a big plus here (for the storage in the car part and any town were the gun would be better off hidden in a pack than carried openly). If you could always slip through this would not matter, but there may be time you have to move through a populated area.

After having a M77-44 for some time , it is a very useful gun.