new bronze

[RocklockI]

Dewayne I seen these typs of guns , Kinda wierd ,sort of cool   and very odd !
 
I am going to make the Lion mortar from India .
 
Cman can you tell me where Batavia is ? That is where my repo VOC gun was cast . I believe it is now Tinnian island ....
Gary
 
 

[GGaskill]

Batavia is now Jakarta on the island of Java in Indonesia.

[GGaskill]

Batavia is now Jakarta on the island of Java in Indonesia.

[Victor3]

I am going to make the Lion mortar from India .
 

Wait... What? Can you make me one? When will it be ready? Where do I send payment? 

[seacoastartillery]

     Not so fast, Victor3.  I've had an order in for one of those Tiger Cannons, actually a tiger mortar for quite some time now.  It's a tiger, not a lion and it's sculptured image is a part of the Sultan Tipu's artillery, because he was commonly known as the Tiger of Mysore, a region he ruled in southern India and adopted this animal as a symbol of his rule until he was killed in Battle in 1799 at the end of the fourth Anglo-Mysore War.  Now I like the Tiger Cannon featured prominently in paintings of the 3rd and 4th wars and shown in the Wiki segment on Tipu Sultan, linked here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan

    After the conclusion of the 4th war, the Scots in India learned of the wonders of Tipu Sultan's armories and bronze foundries which are detailed here:  http://www.tigerandthistle.net/tiger116.htm

    Gary, I/m changing my order to One Replica, Sultan of Mysore, Bronze Tiger Cannon with all details shown in the following photo by John Hill  of a Tiger Cannon used in the battle of Seringapatam by Tippu Sultan's forces in 1799, flanked by two Tiger Mortars of the same scale, suitable for display in my new office at Seacoast World Headquarters in Colorado, USA, say......1/2 scale.  Gary, Victor is anxious, which means you need to get working on my "Sultan" guns,  chop - chop.  After all, we don't want to keep Victor waiting now do we?

Tracy


Ain't she beautiful?     Photo by Robert Hill shown in this site:  http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Tipu_Sultan

Click image for a fantastic, larger view.



   A note on the carriage.  This iron garrison carriage is the product of the East India Company's Gun Foundry at Cossipore, a suburb of Calcutta.  It was made during that time around 1848 when Captain Arthur Broome of the Bengal Artillery was in charge of the foundry. 


A close-up of the trunnion face, tiger head.  Photo attributed to Anne Buddle, Ref.:  http://www.tigerandthistle.net/tiger116.htm

[GGaskill]

Looks like the carriage trunnion grooves are a little undersized.

Do the paintings show the 1799 carriage?

[seacoastartillery]

Looks like the carriage trunnion grooves are a little undersized.

Do the paintings show the 1799 carriage?   

     Yes, I noticed that, but thought that 200+ years would have seen a succession of carriages.  At least this one is from a foundry which produced artillery carriages from the early 1800s.  There is only one painting that we know of which shows the gun and carriage in 1799 and you can't really see too much having to do with trunnion fit in it.  See below. Ref: Tiger and Thistle site mentioned before.  Painting is from the collection of Robert Wigington and used in the Tiger and Thistle site courtesy of the National Galleries of Scotland.  You can see that there is also a tiger face on the cascabel!





The Storming of Seringapatam in 1799
 
 Engraving
 
  A. CARDON AND L. SCHIAVONETTi


Details about the Tiger Cannon:

Tipu Cannon, one of a pair    Bronze, with green patination; cast and chased, with tiger-head muzzle, trunnions and cascabel button.    Seringapatam 1219 M = 1790-01 A.D.    Length 164.5; breech 20.3 cm; bore diam. 6.9    Displayed at Powis Castle, Welshpool, the property of the National Trust.

[Victor3]

     Not so fast, Victor3.  I've had an order in for one of those Tiger Cannons, actually a tiger mortar for quite some time now.  It's a tiger, not a lion

 No way Jose.... Gary clearly said lion, and if you'll kindly go back a few pages you'll plainly see that I requested one in post #189, and your post mentioning it is #190.

Yessirree, all nice and legal, tied up with a bow. Stick THAT it your pipe and "sniff the morning cool." I'm sure Gary will be glad to make you some kinda lion or tiger or bear (oh my!) thingie at a later date...


 

[Double D]

Touche! Point to Victor!

[de_lok]

The only difference between men and boys, are the price tag of their TOYS ! ! ! ha ha ha.................

[RocklockI]

     Not so fast, Victor3.  I've had an order in for one of those Tiger Cannons, actually a tiger mortar for quite some time now.  It's a tiger, not a lion

 No way Jose.... Gary clearly said lion, and if you'll kindly go back a few pages you'll plainly see that I requested one in post #189, and your post mentioning it is #190.

Yessirree, all nice and legal, tied up with a bow. Stick THAT it your pipe and "sniff the morning cool." I'm sure Gary will be glad to make you some kinda lion or tiger or bear (oh my!) thingie at a later date...


 

"I will win ,my lawyer will win, and your lawyer will win ,BUT YOU will lose !"
 
"stick that in your pipe and sniff the cool air"
Priceless  .
 
That was a good one Vic3 ! I will definatly make the LION mortar and I will force people to ask for a LION MORTAR if they want one   . You heard of the "soup nazi" right ? 
 
Gary
 
 
 
 

[Victor3]

Touche! Point to Victor!

 Yeah but I'm getting worried, DD. No post from them in 4 days?


 They're plotting something. I can feel it in me bones. For all we know, poor Gary may be tied up in the Seacoast Artillery bunker on bread and water...with a tiger-shaped blob of wax in his withered hands.

[seacoastartillery]

 No post from them in 4 days?


 They're plotting something. I can feel it in me bones. For all we know, poor Gary may be tied up in the Seacoast Artillery bunker on bread and water...with a tiger-shaped blob of wax in his withered hands.   

   Victor, Victor, ye of so little faith.  We hold no grudges.  We are very simple and trusting fellows.  He He.....tigers......Reeeally!  AND, Seacoast has no bunker as we remembertigersvery well what General Patton said about fixed fortifications.  Besides, we have been far too busy getting that lasttigersBrooke gun completed, the one we built on speculation for placement on one of the gun auction sites.  We have been busy getting ready for thetigersshuttering the shop temporarily to let the contractors build the 25' X 25' shop addition.  Tigers, lions, who cares; I've been busy with important matters like deciding which potted plants to ordertigersfor my new UPstairs  office and teaching my son's tiger cat how to play chess and other critical stuff like that.

    I just finished reading A Passage to India in which the author mentions tigers frequently, but writes without any mention of lions at all, because they live in Africa and a few in Arabia, but not India!  Remember what Alfred E. Neuman said.

"What, me worry??" about tigers ?

Tracy

[Victor3]

   Victor, Victor, ye of so little faith.  We hold no grudges.  We are very simple and trusting fellows.

 Yeah, about like Joe Pesci's charater in Goodfellas.

You win, Tracy. I retract my bid and am sending the lawyers on their way. No hard feelings, eh pal?


 (Psst - PM me if you can escape, Gary!)

[little seacoast]

A little goodie arrived in the mail and I thought I'd share with you. Thanks Gary!  There is a FPA video too, I am fighting with PhotoBucket to get it posted.

[KABAR2]

Did I hear someone is starting a line of "My Little Kitty" mortars?

[RocklockI]

Yes I intend to make some LION mortars . I've already started making a positive ,but here is a question I am not aware of any standard 'ball' other than lead for ammo .
 
Golf ball size would too expensive . Fire cracker just doesn't  sound big enough .
I am open to suggestions ..... maybe the little round smoke bombs ?
 
 LS I am glad you like it . Have you shot it ? What is an FPA video ? I hope you can get it to play .
 
several Smees and VOC guns being cast now  .
 
Gary
 

[GGaskill]

Maybe about 1.075" for four ounce lead shot?

[Victor3]

Yes I intend to make some LION mortars . I've already started making a positive ,but here is a question I am not aware of any standard 'ball' other than lead for ammo .
 
Golf ball size would too expensive . Fire cracker just doesn't  sound big enough .
I am open to suggestions ..... maybe the little round smoke bombs ?
 
Gary

 The little round smoke balls and the little green plastic balls filled with crackly-sound making stuff I've had both measured ~.950".


 I'd really like a casting suitable for ~1" bore with a sub-chamber. I don't think I'd be shooting lead out of it but 1" would sure make for a substantial item that's not too big.

[little seacoast]

Gary, it is a Front Porch Artillery video and a pretty good one too. I have no idea why I can't get Photobucket to cough it up yet. Thank you for a great little mortar, it shoots very well.

[flagman1776]

Sorry my brain is in a fog.  What Smees and VOC guns are you casting?  Sizes?  Are these also table top models?
Russ

several Smees and VOC guns being cast now  .
Gary

[RocklockI]

First off Smee #1  of which Little  seacoast is the proud owner !
Smee is a firecracker gun/mortar

 
Next here is the VOC gun

And here it is in "The Vissor Collection"

 
Hope this answers your question.
Gary

[RocklockI]

Here are the beginings of my New Lion Mortar . It's looking good , and should end up as a nice ,..... no make that a 'Very Nice Piece'  .(inside joke from earlier in this thread)
 
Can anyone tell why there is an arrow of the muzzle ? Yep ! when making the head one side looked better on top so I marked it so I could keep things right side up  . It is true ,these things are hard to keep oriented espeicaly when it's a bell shaped object symetrical like it is.
 

 
Another veiw
 

 
This one shows some scale. I hope to make this thing very detailed .
 

 
I posted these in progress pics for those interested.     and because I'm happy with it so far !
 
Gary
 
I do like Cmans idea of a base fixed to the lions feet ......differant thread.
 
Thank you cannoneer for the photo it is a big help (same thread), I have another in addision to Cmans origanal post pic.

[Victor3]

 Beautiful. I'm saving my pennies!


(Pre-1984 copper ones. I'll send along some tin bars too)   

[Cannoneer]

Rocklock,
Here are a few more pics that might aid with the modelling.

[Victor3]

Somebody knocked the tuft off tail of that lighter colored one to make it look more like a tiger. Bet I know who did it. 

[RocklockI]

Thanks all for the pics ....... I guess  ?
 
To make these things I have to look at them very closely ......maybe too closely !
 
In two of the above pics the ones next to the cannon there 'seems' to be proof that this is a male lion .
 
I callem as I see them !   This came as quite a surprise ! ANY OTHER thoughts given can give me some excuse to not include them    .
 
As an artist I suppose that shouldn't bother me .... but it kinda does.
 
"Lion Junk" 
 
Gary

[Cannoneer]

Iiiiiiiiiiii don't know about that one (or two), I'd have to get a closer look in that department before I jumped to conclusions; although I'd bet money that the makers intended it to represent a male. Haha!

[RocklockI]

I just finished Smee #4 !
 

 
The vent is tapered for better fuse insertion
 

 
A little more polishing and he's ready to go .
 
Gary

[Zulu]

Very cool Gary!
Zulu