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Offline LilHog

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Gunstock refinishing help
« on: September 21, 2012, 05:53:34 AM »
A family member gave me a savage stevens model 56 22lr it was in poor condition as it sat in a garage for several years. The action and barrel cleaned up very nicely. The stock looked very dirty so I sanded it all down to bare wood, problem is it smells like mold. The stock is solid, not soft at all but it keeps producing moisture on the surface. I tried heating it in a low temp oven and it produces more moisture on the surface. I have been letting it sit in the sun for several days but it's not helping. I was going to wipe it down with bleach but figured I'd ask here before I try any chemicals. Anyone have any thoughts on this or any advice to help with this stock. I want to put a nice oil stain on it and bring it back for a 2nd life.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2012, 12:48:50 AM »
My only suggestion would be more drying time. Very slow or splits or warping might occure. Likely to happen anyway if the stock is that saturated. Any rust appearing where the metal touches the wood? Was the stock bolt rusted? ear
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2012, 02:19:50 AM »
There was surface rust all over the metal, nothing major but still there. I sanded it all down and it all came off very nicely. I'm going to paint it with a satin black paint. The bolt had no rust at all on it and the inside of the barrel cleaned up very nice. I did shoot the gun at 25yds and it is very accurate, and still has the stock tube scope on it and still dead on. I wiped the stock down with bleach and it seemed to help as it does not smell like mold anymore. I'll let it sit in the sun for another day and see what happens. I'm thinking about using teak oil on the stock when it dries. Thanks for your suggestions and help.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2012, 02:44:42 AM »
Is the "moisture" that is seeping out of the wood watery or oily? From what you have described I doubt clorox will hurt it any and in that your intention is to paint the metal, perhaps a good spar varnish would work best as a stock finish.


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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2012, 03:07:26 AM »
I must confess, I've never even heard of a stock that full of water.  :-\  But then, there must be lotsa things I haven't heard of... or I've heard of and forgotton... that's one good thing about senility, everything is new...  :-\ speaking of which, weren't you having a problem with a with a piece of wood that was used as an oar or sumpin?  ???
 
Oh wait!  saturated gun stock!  Okay, got it!  A-hem!  I wouldn't even be thinking of a finish at this point.  You've got to get the moisture content of that stock down to a reasonable level first.  So, as Blind ear said:
more drying time. Very slow or splits or warping might occur. Likely to happen anyway if the stock is that saturated.

And by more drying time I don't think we're talking just a day in the sun here...  ;)
 
What I'd do, as if anyone cares what I'd do,  ::) is clean the stock with oven cleaner to remove any trace of finish and otherwise clean the wood, then seal the grain ends and put the stock away for a few months.  Store it so air can circulate around all of it with minimal pressure at any one point.  That's kinda hard to do with wood that's already been carved on but it may help prevent pressure induced warping.  I don't worry about an exact moisture content since I think, there I go again!   ::) , that an appropriate content is region dependant.  Seems to me that here in Jawja the air is a lot more humid then in say, Arizona.  Therefore the normal content would be higher here then there.   :-\
 
As I see it you have 2 other options.  Ignore my pontification, which I dearly love to do, and listen to someone who knows what they are talking about, or find a replacement stock (Boyd's?) that hasn't been under water for several years!   ;D
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2012, 03:27:11 AM »
When working a bow stave a bowyer will coat it with a heavy coat of past wax and allow it ti dry over several months. Atlaw has it pegged if it is that soaked. ear
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2012, 08:22:09 AM »
The moisture that is coming out is like water not oil. If I place it in the oven for 30 minutes at 150 degrees it comes out even wetter then it went in. The oven cleaner sounds like a real good idea and I'm going to the store and get some in a few minutes. Wiping it with the bleach did help to at least kill the mold and smell. After the oven clearner I'll let it dry for a few days and see how it looks and feels. Thanks for everyones suggestions. I painted the receiver, barrel, and scope and mounts with krylon satin primer and paint, it looks very nice.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 08:50:30 AM »
I'd skip the oven and sunlight and break out the old box fan.  Find a low humidity place where you can hang the stock, put the fan on it at low speed so it has constant air flow.  Leave it alone until next weekend.   May take a couple of weeks.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM »
I'd skip the oven and sunlight and break out the old box fan.  Find a low humidity place where you can hang the stock, put the fan on it at low speed so it has constant air flow.  Leave it alone until next weekend.   May take a couple of weeks.


Hanging below a ceiling fan will work also.......I'm fond of Tiki oil for refinishing.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 09:10:43 AM »
An initial bathing of corn starch might help also.  Follow that up by using a compressor to blow the grain free of any contamiates....then let her hang.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 09:16:50 AM »
don't put it in the oven or
in the sun anymore.
bad for the wood, and it
may split or crack badly.
needs to dry slowly and
evenly
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 02:24:41 AM »
What I would have done.


Complete disassembly.  Paint the ends of the stock and put it in an area of low humidity to dry (I can't imagine a piece of wood so saturated as to keep doing what you describe.  I have seen stocks continue to ooze oil that has been put on them for a long time but never water.  Even green cut wood doesn't do what you describe. 


Then I'd bead blast the barrel, action, and all other exposed metal and clean all internal parts.  I'd then clean everything I'd bead blasted with acetone and cold blue it.  I warm the parts in the oven and without touching anything with my fingers I rub with cold blue and 0000 steel wool.  About five coatings like that and you can Wash it, dry it and oil it. If you do it right it turns out passable with a matte finish.  I doesn't look like "brand new" but it is great for a finish on a working gun. 


I don't know what to say bout that stock.  If it is water oozing out of it then you're going to have to wait until it is all out before you do anything to it.  If it is some kind of oil then your going to be waiting a long time.  Gun Parts Corp. (Numrich) may have a stock for that rifle, you'd just have to call them and ask.


An oil (linseed) finish makes a fine protective finish but it takes time and elbow grease to do it right. 


Personally, I don't care for a painted finish on a firearm, but that's just my opinion and is not an indictment of yours.  I simply don't care for it for myself.  I don't like varnish on a stock either but some people do. 


I have a 94 Win that was pretty ugly and sanded all the peeling paint off of the receiver and blued it as above.  It would not take the blue and it finished out as a gray patina look that does have some appeal. 


Good luck on your project.


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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 04:30:57 AM »
I use to use Tung oil, then a Gunsmith friend turned me on to the Tiki oil.  Has has nice results.

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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 04:50:37 AM »
 
     Based on the high humidity conditions you described, I believe that the stock you have is dry-rotted.  It may feel hard and sound, but it is not.  It has in effect been soaked with moisture for long periods of time, letting it rot, and then dried out during the dry winter months, letting it dry.  Year after year!  If you go into an attic with poor ventilation, you will see trusses and chords that have the same thing.   They seem very hard on the surface, but have a suspect hollow sound when you tap them.   There are no holes or pockets in the wood per se, but the structure of the wood has deteriorated so that it is ineffect like a super hard sponge.
 
   If this is the condition of your stock, I'm not sure that will ever be able to salvage it.  If you do refinish it, forget using any rub on oil finishes (tung oil, lin-speed, tru-oil etc.)   I would follow the advice of others on this board to get the stock dried out, and then figure out how to harden it up.   One sure way is to use a product that is designed to be applied to dry rotted wood, that soaks in and hardens the fibers.  (Min-Wax wood hardener.)    If you put a really thick coat of this stuff on the dried stock, then the stock will soak it up and when the product dries your stock will be hard and sound.  Problem is, you would never be able to stain it, as the pores would be sealed up.  So, you would be left with its "natural" color.
 
    Another thing to try, would he to apply a water based gunstock stain to the dried wood, to impart color, and then after it is thoroughly dried out again, to use a spray-on, super thin, poly-urethane based clear finish.  Apply several coats and and then very lightly sand it with 400 grit sandpaper.   (Call Brownells, and they will probably have it in a spray can.)   This will seal up your stock and stop it from absorbing moisture again.
 
Hope this helps.
 
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 04:12:39 PM »
Well, I learned something today.  Many of the pieces (bowls and such) I make come from limb areas of trees and often have very soft, rotted or pithy wood.  The Min-wax wood hardener sounds like just what I've been needing.


Thanks for that post mannyrock.


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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2013, 01:10:48 AM »
I have worked many years with green wood and stabilize it with a chemical composition known by the acronym PEG or Polyethylene Glycol. A fella engineer/chemical I know produces a similar product they use for preserving Viking ships they have un-earthed at the Smithsonian. Polyethylene Glycol pretty much replace every water molecule with a plasticizer.
You can find it a most specialty wood working stores.
As the other poster advised direct sunlight and wood do not play well together.
For a stain I prefer Sherwinn Williams Glaze which can be made to match at there facility in most any color. The finishing product Sherwinn Williams Pre-Cat available in many different lusters.

Here's one that just barely finished curing I did with the that said finish. It was a real POS.
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Re: Gunstock refinishing help
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2013, 01:21:01 AM »
OOPS!