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the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« on: May 06, 2013, 07:08:20 PM »
I have a couple of Buffalo Classics which I enjoy shooting a great deal.  I love them for targets, but I have never been too fond of the sighting arrangement for hunting purposes.  I have tried a scope on one of them, but to me it didn't look or feel right...I have lots of scoped hunting rifles...the BC's cry out for iron sights.  I now have Williams Foolproof apertures on both guns, equipped with target knobs.  It's the front sights that have been bothering me.  The simple post inserts are the best for hunting, at least for my eyes, but they still left a lot to be desired.

Then, at a local gun show a couple of weeks ago, I stumbled upon the perfect answer.  I found a front sight called a Dockendorfer.  At a glance, it appears to be a standard globe front sight, and mounts in the dovetail cutout the same way.  However, instead of interchangeable inserts, it has a crosshair made of fine gold- or brass-coloured wire.  This is permanently installed in the middle of the sight, and at a slight forward-leaning angle so that the top of the "reticle" is slightly closer to the muzzle than the bottom.  Finally, the top of the bodytube of the sight has a large cutout window, complete with a sliding  metal cover that can open or close to allow varying amounts of light in to illuminate the crosshair.  When the window is open, the angled crosshair catches the light and shows up extremely well against a black target or other dark background like a deer in shadows.  Close the window, and now the crosshair appears black and gives excellent contrast in bright lighting conditions.  No tools are required, it's a simple friction adjustment, loose enough to easily do with your fingers, tight enough that recoil will not change the adjustment.

I've been playing with it for a couple of days now and I am in love.  It might be no better than a standard globe for most target shooting, maybe even not as good for longer range on smallish targets.  But for hunting it is perfect.  The fine wire crosshairs, combined with the long sight radius on the BC, allow you to quarter a target the size of the heart-lung zone on a deer with ease and precision at far greater ranges than I would ever shoot at a deer.  This little gizmo is well worth picking up if you come across one.  I think it would also be great on an aperture-equipped .22 for hunting or target.
If I have just "discovered" something that everyone else already knows about...my apologies.  :)

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 07:59:56 PM »
you got my interest up.  The problem is I did a google search and only came up with one reference, it was in another forum and the shooter got it from a friend.  Was it new or on a table.  if it was new what kind of info can you provide.  Maybe a pic or two.  It does sound interesting.
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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 08:07:39 PM »
Sorry, I should have been clearer about that.  This thing is obviously many years old, although in excellent condition.  The polish and blue job is far superior to most of the stuff you see today.  I've been pawing through boxes of old goodies and junk at gun shows for several decades now, and this is the first one of these that I've seen.

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 10:36:45 PM »
You tease...
I hate when i miss. But when I do, I can always come up with a reason why.

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 01:02:38 AM »
Pictures, or it didn't happen!

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 04:27:18 AM »
Sounds like a fine, rare find!
For target use I suggest you set the crosshairs at 6:00 on the bull, for me trying to hold them centered never has resulted in as tight groups as the 6:00 hold.
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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 04:29:50 AM »
Not teasing, at least not intentionally.  Just thought I'd share my little discovery so that, if anyone lucks into one at a show, they'll grab it and maybe be as satisfied as I am.
Pictures?  Not likely...I'm kind of a technophobe...I consider it a good day's work when I manage a cell-phone call without screwing it up.  Taking a photo is daunting...POSTING a photo is laughable...
Crank, so far, shooting this sight is a lot like using a low-power scope.  For me, the best results are when using a largish, square target that shows up well in all 4 quadrants of the field of view, i.e. with the crosshairs centered.  Too soon to say for sure...I've only actually been shooting with it for about a week now.

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 04:32:00 AM »
Here's a thread on the sight with pics and some info.

Tim

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=10000

Found some old ads too....
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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 04:51:08 AM »
That's the one, Quick.  Mine has exactly the same body and tube, but the full crosshair...I think the photo in that link shows only a horizontal wire, but I can't tell for sure.  Mine is pinned to a block which slides into a standard dovetail, rather than sitting on a ramp like that one.
Never thought of it for milsurp rifles.  It looks perfect on something like a BC, or some kind of vintage sporting gun.

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 05:22:51 AM »
I think I will try one, only $5.75, so I would not be out much  :o

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 05:28:00 AM »
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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 06:56:26 AM »
Ahhh the good ol' days. A 1/2 day's wages for a front sight!

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Re: the perfect front sight...Dockendorfer!
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 04:49:40 PM »
If it's a good idea that's just long forgotten, we can only hope that someone will start making them again...

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