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GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« on: April 13, 2013, 06:51:53 AM »
Former Arkansas governor and presidential contender Mike Huckabee  threatens that if Republicans embrace same-sex marriage  and ignore the religious right agenda, he will lead evangelicals  and social conservatives out of the GOP and form a third party.
Republican leaders should take him up on his offer and let 'em walk!  Otherwise the extreme social conservatives will relegate the GOP to the dustbin  of history.
 
The GOP's Civil War
 
The GOP's 2012 election defeats have ignited a full-scale civil war between  the three factions within the Republican Party.
 
The first faction consists in establishment conservatives who are social  engineers from the right. They accept the welfare state; they just want to  introduce market mechanisms to make programs like Social Security and Medicare  work better. They've even expanded the welfare state: George W. Bush created No  Child Left Behind and a new prescription drug entitlement; Mitt Romney created Romneycare, the model for  Obamacare.
 
The second faction is made up of the social conservatives, including many  evangelicals like Huckabee. Their highest priorities include limiting the  liberty of gays to marry and banning abortion. They dream of imposing their  version of Christian values on America. Rick Santorum, former Pennsylvania  Senator, is quite clear about his faction's ideology: "This whole idea of  personal autonomy-I don't think that most conservatives hold that point of  view." He argues that "We're not the Libertarian Party, we're the Republican  Party." Many social conservatives even reject economic liberty. They want government  to manage markets and use entitlements to "strengthen the family."
 
The third faction consists in the Goldwater-Reagan-style advocates of limited  government and individualism, a perspective that now manifest itself in the Tea  Party movement. Their greatest concern is runaway federal spending and debt, and  the expansion of federal power beyond all Constitutional limits, whether through  Obamacare or Republican programs. For them Job One is reining in government.  Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is their libertarian-leaning hero.
 
What If Social Conservatives Leave?
 
The best way to end the GOP civil war is to let Huckabee, Santorum, and their  followers leave. One might object that half of GOP primary voters in 2012 were  white evangelicals and that the party would be dead without them. But not all  evangelicals and social conservatives, however much they agree on same-sex  marriage and abortion, rank  these as the party's priorities. Indeed, surveys show that about half of Tea  Party activists are socially conservative while the other half are  libertarian-leaning. Not all, perhaps not even most, social conservatives and  evangelicals will leave.
 
The evangelicals are an aging, shrinking part of the voter pool. Worse, they  scare away younger voters who are socially liberal. Romney only received 37  percent of the votes of 18-29 year-olds. And once young people vote two or three  times in a row for a particular party, they'll likely continue to vote that way  for the rest of their lives
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The most dynamic element within the GOP has been the young Ron Paul  supporters who have little love for social conservatives who are bent on  managing their personal lives. GOP survival depends on harnessing the energy and  the votes of this group. Fewer "Huckabee's" in the party will make this task  much easier.
 
New Blood
 
Another potential source of new blood for the GOP is the new information-age  wealth creators. These Steve Jobs types are individualists and innovators who  love their work and who generally see private initiative rather than government  programs as the path to prosperity. But they loathe the perceived intolerance of  social conservatives. Fewer "Huckabee's" will make the GOP a more inviting place  to party.
 
Romney received only 27 percent of the Hispanic vote. Yet by 2050, 30 percent  of the American population will be Hispanic. Heavily Catholic Hispanics tend to  be socially conservative. But they are most concerned about economic  opportunity, which solid free-market policies can offer. Unfortunately, the  GOP's social conservatives disproportionally favor harsh treatment for illegal  immigrants. Many Hispanics see them as callous and even racist. But  immigrants-legal or otherwise-tend to embody the drive for self-improvement  through hard work that Republicans should celebrate. Fewer Huckabee's will allow  the GOP to celebrate more Hispanic voters.
 
A Modernist, Pro-Liberty Party
 
The more sensible social conservatives would realize that with the limited  government promoted by a more libertarian GOP they'd have less fear for the  liberties they love, for example, the freedom to home school. And establishment  conservatives today are distancing themselves from many big-government programs  they once supported. They'd likely work with libertarians to establish true free  markets, which would offer opportunities that would obviate the need for welfare  state programs.
 
A GOP minus the most extreme social conservatives and evangelicals would be a  modernist, pro-liberty party that could win elections by promoting individualist  values.
 
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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2013, 07:00:34 AM »
This is exactly what the Liberals and Obama want.  A fractured GOP that will only result in more and more Democrats being ellected and the country going further and further down the road to communism and the lack of civil rights and freedoms. 

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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2013, 07:33:32 AM »
The Republican party lost support of conservatives and moderates with their liberal spending policies.  The have become the party of Social Conservatism and Liberal Spending.  Look at Mitt "I don't know what I'm hunting, but I'm in the woods with a Gun" Romney.  Wanted to remain the world's policeman, enacted gun control and RomneyCare. Only about 19% of people identify themselves as liberals.  Every one else is moderate or conservative.  How can the Republican's lose elections when 80% of people are moderate/conservatives?  They have lost their way.  Need to run a fiscal conservative constitutionalist.
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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2013, 12:17:58 PM »
The Republican party lost support of conservatives and moderates with their liberal spending policies.  The have become the party of Social Conservatism and Liberal Spending.  Look at Mitt "I don't know what I'm hunting, but I'm in the woods with a Gun" Romney.  Wanted to remain the world's policeman, enacted gun control and RomneyCare. Only about 19% of people identify themselves as liberals.  Every one else is moderate or conservative.  How can the Republican's lose elections when 80% of people are moderate/conservatives?  They have lost their way.  Need to run a fiscal conservative constitutionalist.

Excellent summary my friend. As soon as the Republican party looks in the mirror and accepts that running socially conservative/fiscally liberal candidates is a losing proposition they might start winning elections again.

Romney was about as bad a candidate that you could run since during his entire career he was socially liberal/fiscally liberal up until he ran for president during which he pretended to be socially conservative/fiscally conservative. Moderates didn't want to vote for him because they typically won't vote for social conservatives. Fiscal conservatives didn't want to vote for him because they knew nothing that he was saying matched his actual record as governor.
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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 02:51:24 AM »
 Let me say something from the Evangelical viewpoint please.  I dare say that very few Evangelicals voted for Romney just because he was a Mormon ( thanks Howdy Doody, I mean, Mike Huckabee) The Evangelicals were "locked out", basically, by the Rinos, and fed that fear of Mormonism ( no, I don't believe in Mormonism, but at least they are "seeking God" and not looking for what direction Mecca is in!) I'm considered evangelical, and I have lived amongst the Mormons for 23 yrs now, Mitt had the smarts to help fix the economy. I watched him do it out here for the Olympics, but Utah always goes Republican, regardless. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.  I never had any fear he would impose Mormonism on anyone. So...we got another good dose of Mr. Obama....arguably who is worse than Jimmy Carter ( that I lived through) yet "heeerrre he is!"  Its the Rinos that need to shut up and retire (i.e. McCain and others).  This is just my opinion, of course, and no one else is expected or required to have the same opinion as myself. Now, Politics and Religion are always hot potatoes, but I like a hot potatoe every now and then, lol. (note; potatoe/potato depends upon how you learned it, ha)

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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2013, 05:19:50 AM »
This is exactly what the Liberals and Obama want.  A fractured GOP that will only result in more and more Democrats being ellected and the country going further and further down the road to communism and the lack of civil rights and freedoms.


you  are 100% correct
this is a lesser of 2 evils game....like it or not   its not likely to change


i say  if EVERY ONE voted in the primaies.....and let that decide  how leaves
then  nomatter who wins or leaves.........we  ALL support  that guy
and  DO WHAT EVER  IT TAKES TO STOP THE DEMOCRATS
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2013, 05:43:09 AM »
Romney lobby congress and got $1 billion dollars of our money to save the Olympics.  If Romney was President, gun control would have already been in place in the spirit of bipartisanship.
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Re: GOP Should Invite Social Conservative 'Extremists' to Leave
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 08:34:34 AM »
They already have. GOP policies invited them and they left. ear
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