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Re: Britain
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2013, 09:53:09 AM »
Shootall, only in America. In Britain you are guilty until proven innocent and that would be for defending yourself. The criminals have more rights in britain. You could be out in 7 years for premeditated murder and the judiciary would consider that a harsh sentence.

 I believe you are mistaken. British Common Law is opposite of the Neapolitans Version which is as you wrote. Guilty until proven innocent, sort of like when you get tangled up with a Game Warden. Mexico is the same. Get in an Auto accident and both of you get cuffed, that is unless one is a Gringo. He is guilty, period !!
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2013, 02:23:40 AM »
Are the Mods and the Rockers STILL going at it?  ;D


Y'all DO know that the law in the State of Tennessee is based on British Common Law, don't you? Do you think it's odd that the most violent country in Europe and the patron state of the shooting arts have the same legal system?
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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2013, 02:54:54 AM »
You also know, Britain came out of WWII as the SECOND leading economy in the world behind the US.  First thing they did, was vote out Churchhill, and voted for a liberal who lead them into socialism.  Britian got the most Marshall plan money of all the countries who got aid from us.  Germany got the least.  Germany went capitalist, and within 10 years was back to a normal economy even after being completely bombed out.  Germany is still the leading economy in Europe.  It is even legal to own a silencer in Germany, they prefer quiet hunting.  In Germany you have a choice of health care insurance you buy, it is however manditory that you buy health care.  They only provide free services to the poorest 10%, same with Switzerland.  Private insurance, but manditory.  Britian is controlled by their government and thus the waiting in lines, and poor service, and manditory food purchases, etc, etc, etc.  Hmmm.  Japan is the same, they adapted American styled capitalism and prospered after WWII.  When they tried socialism in the 90s, well their economy stagnated, just like ours is doing. 
 
I think the biggest problem with American capitalism is too much political chronyism on both sides.  Another thing is allowing too many mergers into just a few giant corporations that are "too big to fail", from banks to companies like GE, Microsoft, Exxon, BP, Bear-Stearns, etc.  They just swallowed up smaller companies and there is not either enough competition, or prices are not competitive.  We do have anti-monopoly laws for these type of companies.   More competition, less government involvement needed.  Same can be done with health care if they would allow companies to cross state lines with insurance offerings like they do with homeowners, auto, etc.  They would then allow customised plans, etc.  Now they are all in state controlled and not competitive.  It is a mess. 

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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2013, 03:25:47 AM »
  Thatcher brought the UK back out of their slump...but then the LIVs put socialism back in charge..same as the LIVs did here!
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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2013, 03:55:35 AM »
Are the Mods and the Rockers STILL going at it?  ;D


Y'all DO know that the law in the State of Tennessee is based on British Common Law, don't you? Do you think it's odd that the most violent country in Europe and the patron state of the shooting arts have the same legal system? no they both evolved from the same back ground. much like conservatives and liberals here come from the same basic back ground . People from Tn and America got it correct.  ;)
Did you know not all states draw their legal concepts from British Common Law ?
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2013, 10:09:16 AM »
Shootall, while the law of britain is innocent until proven guilty, just getting arrested pretty much guarantees a conviction. Especially if you are a home owner defending yourself from invaders.
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Re: Britain
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2013, 11:39:28 AM »
Pierse Morgan is a typical Britt.What does that say ?  I soldiered along side of German, French and Britt troops in Germany. (60's)The German troops were top notch! The Britt's made the French look good ;) If you bought them for what they were worth and sold them for what they thought they were, you would make millions.

I'm generalizing! No doubt there are not all like that.................Are they? Jolly Good, Tally Ho and all that rot.
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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2013, 03:52:19 PM »
the french invented the surrender flag.  the brits cry to America for arms to protect themselves from invasion. then they want OUR troops.  Now they are the most crime ridden country in the EU and they dare to tell US how to run a country???
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2013, 04:14:47 AM »
People, especially young people in America, do not study their own history.  In 1960, Detroit was the richest large city in America, had the highest standard of living of any large city.  In 1960 85% of Americans had health care insurance.  Most women could stay at home and be mothers to their children, be there when they got out of school, could go to school in emergencies or sickness, etc.  Most men made a decent wage that could support a family.  Yes we had segregation problems, but that was about it.  Even 52% of blacks were middle class by this time.  There were no federal welfare programs, no federal food stamp programs, we had a top notch military, we were preparing to go to the moon.  We used the gold standard to back our currency.  We manufactured EVERYTHING we needed.  We only imported stuff like bananas, coffee, tea, cola nuts, cocoa, Brazil nuts, etc.  Only metal we imported was titanium, and maybe some diamonds.  We were an exporter, even at our higher wages.  The import-export laws actually protected us. 
 
Now, we import a lot of our food, we import a lot of our vehicles, clothes, shoes, furnature, watches, phones, computers, and half our oil.  Good paying jobs are scarse, especially manufacturing jobs.  Farms lie idle due to imported cotton, and other foods.
 
Maybe we should rethink our so called "free trade agreements" and start by lowering our taxes for MANUFACTURING companies, that can actually provide jobs here as well as health insurance.  Maybe we should rethink attaching tarriffs on imported oil and manufactured goods at the same time opening up opportunities for Americans to drill here, and build PIPELINES to carry our oil and natural gas around.  Alaska was promised a railroad via Canada when they became a state, via the Alaska highway, never happened.  Also, there are/were plans to run a natural gas pipeline from Alaska via the Alaska highway back to the lower 48 through Canada.  Alaska has tapped and capped about a 50 year supply of natural gas for the lower 48, not counting what we are producing in fraking in the lower 48.  Japan is developing technology to drill and mine their natural gas hydrates underwater off the coast of Japan.  We have a 30,000 year supply of natural gas hydrates in the Burmada Triangle we could tap.  At some point natural gas will overtake oil as the leading fuel in America because it is cleaner and more abundant. 
 
Anyway maybe we should look at the best times of America past economically and do the same things to emulate what they did to bring back our leadership in the world, our standard of living, less Federal control over our lives, and just keep the feds only for defence, highways, bridges, canals, space exploration, research and development money, but not throw it away on lazy people unwilling to work, and superficial disabilities. 
 
When Johnson created the "Great Society" programs with federal welfare, he created a monster. 
When Nixon did away with the Gold standard, inflation hit and got worse during the Carter years. 
When Bush Sr, and Clinton got the "Free Trade Agreements" going, Ross Perot warned of the giant sucking sound taking our industry overseas.  Happened just like he said. 
 
These programs did not, and have not worked, they are both Republican and Democrat ideas.  We need to get rid of what doesn't work, and do what works to actually create jobs, health care insurance, all without needing the Feds.  Stop importing oil that the money is used against us in terroism.  Stop bankrolling them by buying their oil.  Let's produce all our own energy in North America.  Lets make our own stuff in North American and not in China and other places.  Let's learn to be INDEPENDENT, not DEPENDENT. 

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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2013, 08:52:32 AM »
the french invented the surrender flag.  the brits cry to America for arms to protect themselves from invasion. then they want OUR troops.  Now they are the most crime ridden country in the EU and they dare to tell US how to run a country???

 
The Britt's should have got the French guns - they had only been dropped once  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2013, 10:51:52 AM »
French guns were a bunch of junk.  Odd calibers, funky way they operate.  Americans were given French machine guns that were top magazine fed in WWI when they first went over there, and they hated them.  When our soldiers had a chance they threw them down and got either a Springfield or a Browing BAR. 

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2013, 10:59:45 AM »
Didn't we use Springfield's and Enfield's in WW1 ? The BAR was too late to matter. And we had few Browning machine guns at the start of the war. The French machine gun was bad but some of their rifles were good later. They did invent ammo that made the modern rifle workable.
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Re: Britain
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2013, 12:08:54 PM »





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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2013, 10:02:37 AM »
the WW 1 french light machinegun was the chauchat(SP). It was bottom fed from a semi-circular magazine that had huge cut outs that allowed every manner of filth to clog the magazine.   Perhaps you are thinking of the BREN gun. It is top loaded though I forget when it entered service.  It was considered a very reliable and accurate firearm. So much so that it was in service in britain in to the 1960s.
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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2013, 10:10:19 AM »
of course the Browning 1917 was good some fired a million rounds in WW! then the 1919 browning an air cooled 1917 was still in use until the 70's on river boats etc. And the M-2 50 cal. version is still in use today . I think Browning knew his stuff  ;)  better than the rest.
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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2013, 01:48:30 PM »
of course JMB knew his stuff!  I was referring to the magazine fed light machieguns of WW1 and later. Yes, JMB knew his stuff better than the rest. I keep his birthdate and the 1911 acceptance dates in my calender. I am unaware of any JMB designed firearm that was not considered excellent and usually way ahead of its time.

JMB for Saint! His firearms have saved more American lives than all religions combined.
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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2013, 08:01:15 AM »
French guns were a bunch of junk.  Odd calibers, funky way they operate.  Americans were given French machine guns that were top magazine fed in WWI when they first went over there, and they hated them.  When our soldiers had a chance they threw them down and got either a Springfield or a Browing BAR.
The 8mm Label was the first smokeless powered round.  If you are used to the 8X50R label then the 30-06 is odd.  And yes the 3 round rifle was a little strange, but 3 rounds Bertha in the area of single shot like the Mauser 71 was an innovation in firepower.   
The French led the world in military arms up to WWI.  the Chauchat was a hunk of junk for the trench war.  and clogged up quickly getting John Browning to invent the two most Iconic firearms.  The Chauchat was chambered in 30-06 that was it's downfall.  the round was too powerfull for the design and the bent mag was designed for the short rimmed 8mm french round.
But of the arms the French gave us the Artillary of the French 75 was a great design and the Air planes were fine. 
We still use the basic design of the French 75that allows for fast follow up shots.  Artillary before the French 75 had to be moved back up to the firing line and resighted after each shot.  The French 75 used springs to tame recoil and allow for a quick reload nad fire again. 
The Bar that led to the current squad guns and our tactics and the 1919 machine gun to make a better Maximim gun that led to the 50 BMG designs.   That are still in the invantory today and are the longest serving arm in US history.  And will be for years to come.   
Sharon, the Bren was an after WWI colaberation of CZ and Enfield.  CZ was then called Bruno and the name came from the BR of Bruno and the EN of Enfield.  The Japanese Nambu light machine gun was of this same design. 
During the first WW the British had the Lewis gun a top fed drum mag light machine gun that was used as a team gun as well as being mounted on airplanes.  The drum held 47 or 97 rounds. But the Lewis gun was a Belgium design.   

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« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2013, 10:09:22 AM »
Pierse Morgan is a typical Britt.What does that say ?  I soldiered along side of German, French and Britt troops in Germany. (60's)The German troops were top notch! The Britt's made the French look good ;) If you bought them for what they were worth and sold them for what they thought they were, you would make millions.

I'm generalizing! No doubt there are not all like that.................Are they? Jolly Good, Tally Ho and all that rot.
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  I was there in Germany 62-65..  I generally share your view of the German and French troops.. but I was rather impressed by the Brits.
  Of course the only place I dealt with the Brits was at 7th Army Non-commissioned officer's school, in Bad-Tolz .  Perhaps they were more the cream-of-the-crop..
 
  Were you there in the early 60s?  If so, did you get in on the game of taking the French troop's berets away from them ? 
  It was a popular little sporting game, until DeGaulle pulled his boys out..
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2013, 05:15:46 PM »
McW  thankyou. I did not know when the BREN came into service. A very fine light machine gun design.
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THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS AND TYRANTS - Thomas Jefferson