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Garden for "preppers"??
« on: May 11, 2013, 04:06:11 PM »
I have been thinking, (my high school football coach always said that was dangerous. . .) about things you could plant that would be low maintenance but that would produce something valuable to use or trade if things go bad.  First thing that comes to mind is fruit trees.  My Dad has several pecan trees as well as an apple and pear tree.  I have a cherry tree and I found a scrubby peach tree in a fence row on my place.  The peaches don't get much bigger than the pit but I wonder if I could give it a little TLC and make it produce?

So all that made me think about the other possibilities; blueberries, olives, cranberries, blackberries, raspberries,  any other suggestions?  Olives made me think of not only for the olives themselves but olive oil also. . any ideas about alternate uses?

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2013, 04:16:46 PM »
Goards......both my grand parents grew goads from which you could make eating bowls and water dippers.  They also raised gardens in the size of about 1/4 acre.  My granny had a milking cow , hogs and chickens .....only neccssities she bought were salt, flour, coal, and B C powders.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2013, 04:20:56 PM »
Tobacco was her "cash" crop.....you might consider raising some tobacco for trading.

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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2013, 05:42:30 PM »
Not sure what the economics of growing and drying your own beans are but they last a while if kept dry and sealed up. 
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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013, 02:21:37 AM »
Will tobacco do alright if your not tending it?  I was pretty sure tobacco took a lot of work. 

In contrast, my cherry tree produces unless it gets hit by frost, and I just let the birds and animals eat the fruit.  The bugs get to them but I don't mess with it.  I could start tending to it next year and keep the frost from getting to it, spray for bugs, fertilize it  and keep the birds away and have a pretty nice crop of cherries.  I would not have to buy a cherry tree or grow one from a seed or anything just take care of it when the time comes.  I may have to wait till next spring to get a crop, but the tree is established.  I am looking for more things like that.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 03:01:29 AM »
Things that aren't "low maintenance" include:    cultivar peach and plum trees, blueberries, tobacco, cranberries,  raspberries.  Cranberries, raspberries, and olives may also be temperature-zone-dependent.  I get 5-7 years of productive fruiting out of cultivar peaches and plums.  Some varieties of pears and apples do well for decades and are relatively low-maintenance.
 
There are "native" peach trees which will grow and be killed back to the roots by disease and bugs but rebound.  Pecan trees take several years to get established and bear crops...the rule here is that you plant pecan trees for your grandkids...cultivar trees take a little less time than natives.  Concord grapes will produce for years.  If you have room for them to spread, get some native plums...the kind you see growing in clusters on the side of the road.
 
Check with your County Extension Agent for tips on what to grow in your specific zone.
 
I grow a hobby garden and use heirloom or open-pollinated seeds for the most part.  I have about a dozen fruit trees and half a dozen grape vines; some are cultivars and some are wild transplants.  Last year, I grew some tobacco just for practice...I store the seeds with the idea for barter, but it ain't easy and I may rethink that.
 
The point is:  there are a few things that you can plant now and have ready for TEOTWAWKI, if you do your research, but very few.    If you want to do research, there were some threads about that on the survival and self-sustainability threads a while back (at the top of this forum).

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 04:25:59 AM »
You all have a lot more options than we do in cold country. What I can grow that is not a usual garden crop is dry beans, like oldshooter mentioned. They are an ideal subsistence food. While it doesn't make a lot of sense to grow something that is so cheap in the store, there are specialty beans that fetch a premium. Some sell for $5.00 a pound. Problem with those types is they are hard to grow, and the wife wants to keep them and eat em.

I do also grow the cheap common beans. They are easy to grow, productive, and easy to harvest and store. Plus they are good for my dirt. I am building up a surplus for storage.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013, 04:26:43 AM »
Things that aren't "low maintenance" include:    cultivar peach and plum trees, blueberries, tobacco, cranberries,  raspberries.  Cranberries, raspberries, and olives may also be temperature-zone-dependent.  I get 5-7 years of productive fruiting out of cultivar peaches and plums.  Some varieties of pears and apples do well for decades and are relatively low-maintenance.
 
There are "native" peach trees which will grow and be killed back to the roots by disease and bugs but rebound.  Pecan trees take several years to get established and bear crops...the rule here is that you plant pecan trees for your grandkids...cultivar trees take a little less time than natives.  Concord grapes will produce for years.  If you have room for them to spread, get some native plums...the kind you see growing in clusters on the side of the road.
 
Check with your County Extension Agent for tips on what to grow in your specific zone.
 
I grow a hobby garden and use heirloom or open-pollinated seeds for the most part.  I have about a dozen fruit trees and half a dozen grape vines; some are cultivars and some are wild transplants.  Last year, I grew some tobacco just for practice...I store the seeds with the idea for barter, but it ain't easy and I may rethink that.
 
The point is:  there are a few things that you can plant now and have ready for TEOTWAWKI, if you do your research, but very few.    If you want to do research, there were some threads about that on the survival and self-sustainability threads a while back (at the top of this forum).

Tobacco is more work compared  say a fruit tree.  You have to tend to it, harvest it, and dry.  Whats a matter with a bit of labor if you get something back in return?  Reliquary is correct, a pecan tree take 7 years to begin producing.  Granny also had peach, necterine (sp), apple and plum trees along with wild blackberry vines(watch the snakes) which were probably the least labor intensive food source.  Mellons( mainly water) were a popular product with the public) also.  You can raise corn for your eating and the farm animals eating ( again a bit more labor intensive).

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 04:28:11 AM »
Hogs were a sought after "barter" item).
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 04:40:35 AM »
Just came to me as to what was very popular with the public.......my Uncles "WHITE LIGHTNIN".

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 04:47:15 AM »
Reminds me....you will also need plenty of sugar.  That's the other staple Granny bought.  Brings back a flood of memories.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 05:03:46 AM »
Native pecans will produce in less that 10 years, usually about 7 years, it you keep deep mulch over the root/shade area and don't pile the mulch against the trunk. Keep the mulch back a foot and a half or so from the trunk. Next keep the crows and blue jays away, they will cut holes in green pecans to eat and will carry pecans ready to drop and put them in hollow trees. ear
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 07:43:12 AM »
I don't upkeep any of my fruit trees with sprays. My way of thinking is if they can't make it on their own I have no use for babying one along. All of them I have do alright. Sometimes frost will catch them but that's actually a good thing because they grow a whole lot more those years and produce a bumper crop the next year.
As far as trade value currently, walnut oil sells for $50 a quart here. I think the ones I have are carpathian (English walnut), also have black walnut but I don't press them. They take 8 years for nuts. I'd say they are 10-12 years old and I get 5-6 gallons of oil out of them after the squirrels are done. I doubt it would be in such high demand if times were hard though. Women use it for baking.
Honey is another option. Of coarse you have better yields with bees. There's not a whole lot of money in it. I get $4 a pint at the local grocery store. But it paid for everything in the 3rd year. Now it's just profit. Not much of one but at least they earn their keep. Of coarse honey would be at more of a premium for trading in times like you are talking about. If there isn't sugar sitting on the shelf then folks would want a sweetener.
With the fruit trees and honey alchohol would probably be a high demand cash crop. Wines and brandies would get top dollar in trade value. Both sell for $25 a quart locally. If store bought weren't available I'm assuming the trade value would be 10 times that.
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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 10:27:05 AM »
My native pecan is 9 years old and had its first crop, a couple of pounds worth, last year.
 
Another good thing to plant for hard times is fig trees.  They may freeze back to the ground every now & then, but have always come back. 
 
I also have several stands of about 4 kinds of commercial blackberries, totaling about 8' X 50' of canes.  I barter figs, grapes, berries, and apples with neighbors for produce from their gardens.  I do tend my fruit trees, pruning and spraying, but that isn't absolutely essential if you don't mind a few bugs...this year, a late freeze got most everything.
 
I have everything I need in order to make wine and brandy or applejack from the excess fruit, if needed.  One of the neighbors gets my excess grapes and makes a credible wine, now.
 
I grew one tobacco plant last year, just for practice.  Gave up nicotine a long time ago; my neighbor smoked some of it and said it was harsh but had the "kick".  My plan was/is to grow some for barter if needed, but it won't be a major crop; if I switch to larger-scale gardening for hard times, that will occupy most of my time.  Plan B: bulk tobacco is one of the things on my list for 11th-hour shopping, if TSHTF.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2013, 11:05:01 AM »
peppers.
at one point in history explorers were
sailing halfway around the globe into
the unknown for them. also any herbs
that can be dried and stored for trade or use.


corn beans and squash.
the branch on my family tree nobody talks
about grew them here for no telling how many years.


taters.
you can fix taters a gazillion ways and not
get tired of them. i don't anyway.
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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2013, 11:31:54 AM »
jeruselum artichokes or sun chokes may be the ultimate prepper plant from what ive read.i planted some this spring and they are up and doing well.they are basically a big weed with a edible root. raw they taste like a cross between water chestnut and a tater.to me raw they are better than a tater. i havent eaten them cooked yet but they are supposed to be about like a potato.
 
from what ive read once established they will regrow every year unattended and spread as well.you can dig them from late summer to spring.
 
ive planted them in a corner of one of my deer plots.i hope to establish them as a emergency food item that will pretty much take care of thereselves.i mite throw a couple buckets of rabbit poop on them now and then.
 
i got a few pounds of the roots off ebay from a seller.they were fresh dug when i got them and planted them whole a few weeks later.we will see what happens.
 
 
 

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2013, 11:57:50 AM »
Trust me on this one, because I speak from experience.  There is a lot of work in tobacco production, plus skill and know how.  It is sown, transplanted, grown, harvested, cured, aged, blended, and processed.  Diseases, bugs, and worms attack it.  Deer will eat young plants.  Only people I ever knew who processes a home grown tobacco product, made plugs or twists of chewing tobacco flavored with molasses.  Never chewed any, just saw it around as a kid.  There are 100s of tobacco varieties for different products, aromas, flavors, smoking, wrapping, etc.

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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2013, 12:10:56 PM »
Trust me on this one, because I speak from experience.  There is a lot of work in tobacco production, plus skill and know how.  It is sown, transplanted, grown, harvested, cured, aged, blended, and processed.  Diseases, bugs, and worms attack it.  Deer will eat young plants.  Only people I ever knew who processes a home grown tobacco product, made plugs or twists of chewing tobacco flavored with molasses.  Never chewed any, just saw it around as a kid.  There are 100s of tobacco varieties for different products, aromas, flavors, smoking, wrapping, etc.

I'm not talking about fine cigars here.  You can plant , tend, harvest,dry ( I've helped do a primaryly hand operation)and have a crop which will be in demand for barter......same with alcohol.......humans are hopeless addicts.

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2013, 12:21:12 PM »
Ol BW:  that "fencerow peach" may or may not be worth the effort to care for.  Give it a little fertilize this fall, clear out any brush from around it and see what happens; won't hurt to try.  There are several so-called "native" peaches which can be planted now for SHTF and will likely be around in the future. 
 
The best one for this area (Zone 8) is generally called "Indian Blood"; it produces late and has a purplish blush to the meat.  The ones I have grown, generally grow as a bunch of sprouts rather than a single trunk.  It's better for sweet-pickling, but is edible.
 
Another has white flesh, is rather "mealy" in texture, and grows more as a tree.  If it has a name, I've forgotten it.
 
The best thing about them is that they will regrow from the roots when killed by borers and disease.  Sometimes they have been used as rootstock for grafted varieties and come up after the grafted part dies; sometimes they come up from peachseed in discarded or fallen fruit.  I've seen the Indian Blood in some nurseries.  A plant called either Pluot or Plumcot is also used as rootstock and it is hardy, but makes less fruit than my cultivar trees.  It, too, regrows when killed back
 
Another long-lived tree that I find occasionally around old homesteads is the quince (the tree, not the flowering shrub).  It was generally used for jams and jellies, as the fruit is only marginally edible when raw.
 
My brother has planted several apple trees around his deer stands; these came up from seed in his scrap pile, and they seem pretty hardy, but the fruit is rather nondescript. I've read that most of the seed strewn by Johnny Appleseed was from cider houses and many of them developed great apples just by sheer chance.
 
 I have two apple trees, an Anna and a Golden Dorsett (pollinators) that are maybe 12 years old and thrive, untended, except for occasional pruning back broken limbs.  They give me several bushels each, each year. 
 
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2013, 05:36:03 PM »
I like all the responses, please keep them coming!

Yeah being in Tennessee, I have been up in KY and seen the tobacco farms, looks like work but push to shove would be a good cash crop. 

I'm not trying to come off as lazy.  I have a full time job that takes me out of town a lot, with a house I am slowly trying to renovate after renting it out for about 5 yrs.  If I had a vegetable garden it would be neglected in short order.  I figure if I can find some things that I can invest some time in at the beginning and then let them alone.  I figure when the SHTF I'm not going to be worried about my job and doubt anyone else will either.  Then I will be able to spend more time with them then.

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Re: Garden for "preppers"??
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2013, 07:49:50 PM »
Quince, cows, squirrels, deer nor I will eat one. Very bitter and sour. From just fallen until dried up not fit to fool with. Falls right in there with a crab apple. Some make jelly from both but I had rather start with something edible. jmho ear
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