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Offline mcwoodduck

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History and facts agree with me.
How many MRI machines are in your area?  I will bet there are more MRI machines in a small city like Reno than in all of CUBA or CHINA.
Have you ever been to a DMV in CA?  Cutomer service is not at a paramount espacally in the larger cities, if you go to the Private AAA they are helpful and friendly and efficient.  I am willing to pay the $100 a year to get professionals and towing service than the " I do not give a flying XXXX attitude of the California Goverment worker.
And you want your office visit to the Doctor to be the same way as going to DMV?  Wih the same irrational rules and lines?
The problem with Government run anything is the people wanting it, often think it will be something it is not.  Thye expect the government to be a benevolent parent and they are not.  The government people are going to be the same people that were in the Insurance companies but with out your ability to sue them for breach of contract if they do not fufill what you want and paid for.
You have heard you get what you paid for?  How good is a free lunch?  how good do you think the free health care will be?
And the problem I have with Obama care is that it never looked at the costs in a way to reduce them, and from what Obama said that the average family will see their insurace go down $1500 a year has now seen those same costs raise $2,300.  If you look at it like base line budget that is a $3,800 increase!  And that does not include the other taxes and costs that will rise because of it.
Profits allow hospitals to upgrade equipment, hire the best staff, and do research. 
And while you claim we have worse outcomes than the European socialized medicines I will argue that we try things and will fight to the end and a last ditch effort is done here where it is not done there.  A patient that is deemd terminal in Socialized medicine is made confortable and allowed to just pass away, where here they have the option to try things ot extend or fight the problem that sometimes fail.  Butr not trying does not count as a loss. 
Let's ask this.  How many people here get new hips, knees and ankles that need them as opposed to people in Europe that have the same eflictions that are not offered the option.  I know my Grandfather had two new hips, two double by pass ,and was on his 4th pase maker when he passed at 92.  that he would never have been able to do and go the places he did had those options not been given to him if he were in Canada or England. 

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For profit hospitals are notorious for short staffing, to keep those profits up. As to them having the best equipment, that is a myth. One of my jobs, for which I get paid a salary, is with a publicly owned trauma center. We have 4 CT scan machines, 2 MRIs, and a PET scan machine. For profit hospitals in the area provide a steady stream of patients for just those machines, because they are too cheap to buy their own. Part of the EMTALA law says the hospital has to treat you or transfer you to where you can be treated. For profit hospitals are just not going to spring for the cost of equipment to do a lot of procedures. Often, for profit hospitals specialize--- usually in cardiology, because a cath lab is cheaper to set up than anything I've mentioned so far, or oncology, because the infrastructure outlay is really not much higher than a community med/surg hospital. With only a few exceptions, for profits run a higher nurse/patient ratio than publicly owned hospitals, unless you count the VA.

Despite the advertising about their docs, it's the nurses that determine a good vs bad hospital. That's why there ARE hospitals--- because that's where the NURSES are. Look for a hospital with current "Magnet Status." That means they have a minimum amount of NURSE turnover, and that NURSES actually WANT to work there. Keeping enough staff and keeping them happy is very expensive--- another cost a for profit hospital is not going to spring for.

By the way, western trained MDs only utilize about 9% of the available bio-medical science in the treating of patients. They are generally ignorant of nutrition, herbal therapy, other modes of treatment like Chinese Medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, Chiropractic,, etc. Oh, and The effectiveness of those modes of therapy have been researched and found to be more effective in many cases than western medicine--- they have been researched in countries with socialized medicine, usually, because those countries are truly interested in controlling costs. Western medicine absolutely excels at what they are good at--- but if it can't be treated by cutting, burning (radiation), or poisoning, they simply have no idea what to do. One thing I tell my own patients: if you have a non-psychiatric condition that they want to treat with antidepressants, you need to look at a different provider.   

Read "Racketeering in Medicine," by James Carter. If you have a chronic condition that seems to have no relief, read "The Web that has no Weaver," or "Between Heaven and Earth." Another good one is "The God Complex," by Chris Titus--- he actually first tried to publish this as non-fiction, where he named names, but the publisher wouldn't touch it, so he rewrote it as a murder mystery--- all the medical data is absolute fact, however.
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And the problem I have with Obama care is that it never looked at the costs in a way to reduce them,
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Of course, it would be anti-capitalism/anti-corpo to control cost_ _that's why Romney-Obamacare didn't control cost!  The market is suppose to take care of costs... ;) .. ::) . The big problem is capitalism is established on the principle of always rising costs and eliminating competition. Romeny-Obamacare was a profitable 'gift' to HC insurance corps_ _that's why Heritage Foundation devised it!! Let's hope it evolves into a simple single payer system.
.Originally they said Obama care was to reduce the costs of health care and the insurance all families are paying.  But thye never looked at the costs they just added to them and what was supose to be a $1,500 deduction ended up being a $2,300 increase and raising 
The gift you talk about to the insurance companies is not a gift, if everyone has to have insurance then costs fall as all will be covered by a plan and the hospitals and doctors will not have to pad bills to cover the people that cna not afford coverage or will not afford coverage.  And how is it a gift if Obama says that ALL Private health care insurance companies will be out of business with in 10 years of the passing of Obama care?  Gee sounds like a bargin, no new customers, higher costs = higher rates and a job for the next 10 years max.  Oh you sounds like a gift to me.  Can we give your industry a gift like that?   
In a country like Canada, and the Euro nations, a treatment may costs $20_ _same treatment in the US, the best HC system in the world,  ;)  might cost $4000..!! That tells me the real cost of the service is $20...so much for free market HC controlling costs.
Apples to raod apples not the same system, nto the same tax base and Europe does not have free care to millions of illegals. 
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As for your grand pappy that's great really_ _be sure to thank all the other members in the 'socialized' cost sharing Medicaire and/or HC insurance plans he was enrolled in.  ANNNT all but the last two pace maker battery replacments done with Private health care insurance before he was 65. 
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In foreign countries there are absolutely no demonstrators, citizens, movements, or organizations clamoring for a HC system just like the Americans have, NONE, except for the usual elitist corpo entities intent on profiting from illness and older age.  In fact of lately, there has been an outpouring of comments from foreign visitors to our country lambasting our HC system as barbarian, crude, and tyranny; and in wonderment why we put up with it.!
Lets see when the Chechs demonstraited The soviets drove tanks over them.
When the Hungarians protested the Soviets drove tanks over them
When the Chinese protested they Chinese drove tanks over them put many in prison and had a few play catch with bullets. 
The socialists have filled many political prisons and mass graves with the people that protest.  How many times do you have to see your neighbors, friends and family carted off for asking a question before you stop asking questions? 
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When you are in the dark and not understanding the bigger picture, I am trying to enlighten you and not have you sitting in the dark with silly people telling you that it is someone elses fault when all you have to do it learn how to change a light bulb.  And not complain that someone else should be paying for your power bill, and that they should change your bulb. 

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You guys want to posture and chirp at each other please do so by PM.