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Offline tmccray45

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Range safety
« on: June 16, 2013, 05:33:35 AM »
About two weeks ago, I was at a local range with my .45 muzzleloader. (I was shooting my Lee cast 200 grain REAL bullets and getting good results with the 1-66 twist.)  There are probably 40 people shooting a variety of rifles, so it's moderately busy.
 
 I notice a car pull up and out gets five people - two men, two women, and a teenaged girl, about 16-18.  They choose the shooting table one down from me and, during the next cease fire, they post their target. 
 
 "The range is hot".
 
 They pull out a snub nosed revolver and one of the guys starts firing from a standing position.  The revolver gets handed to one of the women and she starts blasting away.   Out of the corner of my eye, I see the range safety officer moving toward them - not a run, but moving rapidly. I have my ear muffs on, so I cannot hear what he's saying, but I can determine the drift of what upset him.
 
 By shooting at a target from a standing position, they were impacting into the ground behind the target and not into the berm.   Common mistake - I've gotten chewed out for doing the same thing.
 
 While the range officer is having his say, the woman turns and is mesmerized by what the RSO is saying.   She strikes a pose that I've seen people strike many times before in ordinary conversation - they bring their hand up so it's under their chin.
 
 And, with pistol in hand, that what she did.  Muzzle up!!
 
 I've got my mouth open and am sucking air in preparation to scream a warning when I hear a guy to the left of me yell, "Watch the muzzle!!" One of the husbands rapidly moves to gently grab her arm and lower the pistol out of harms way.  Crisis averted.   I have to step away from my muzzleloader and gather myself before I can continue loading.   In my minds eye, I pictured the horrible events that might have transpired if that woman had ever-so-gently squeezed the trigger.   I didn't want to be a witness to something like that.
 
 I'm continuing to load and fire, but 1/2 of my attention is drawn to this group to my right.  On the next "cease fire", I step back and wait for others to pull and post targets.   I notice one of the husbands approach me.
 
 "I've been watching you.  Is that a 30-30?"   
 
 I don't THINK I said the word "jackass", but you can be assured I thought the word "jackass"!  As in, "What a jackass you are!"
 
 I very politely told him it was a .45 caliber muzzleloader, like the type of gun they used in the Civil War and that it was not, in fact, a 30-30.   He listened, thanked me, and went back to his shooting table.
 
 And pulls out a Bushmaster for the groups entertainment.   I start throwing my stuff in my various bags and get the heck out of there.  (I did tell the RSO to keep an eye on them and repeated the "30-30 story". He just shook his head.)
 
 National Public Radio had an article about how experienced shoots are learning that they have to worry about the people rushing out to buy their guns before the gun ban takes effect.   I believe every word of that article.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 06:44:53 AM »
I almost got shot at a range. He was "playing" with the set trigger on his Sauer .375 H&H. He got to see my war face! ;)  Ever since that day I try to avoid public ranges. While I have frequented a few since, I can honestly say my full attention was not given to my shooting.


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Re: Range safety
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 07:56:06 AM »
I frequent two of the local ranges, and while the VAST majority of the shooters are perfectly safe, it is these kinds of incidents (that seem to be getting more common) that keep my focus more on the other shooters than on my shooting.  It has gotten to the point that I have made many trips out to the ranges, about 20 miles each way, just to see it packed, and turn around and go home.  I just avoid them on weekends, and try to go early in the mornings on weekdays and that is usually a bit better, but not by any means perfect.

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 02:26:44 PM »
Last year I paid my 20 bucks for a "membership" on the Luce County Range in the county north of me.  It's only about 10 miles.  I used it once.....no thanks....I'll shoot at home.  I don't care for looking at someones muzzle.  I swear some of these idiots just climbed down out of the trees.

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 03:56:58 PM »
Here in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, we have one public range left.  You need to have a free permit from the DOW.  I have been going there for about 10 years and am not sure how long the republic will let it stay open.  There have been no issues that I know of but I have seen some of the same things mentioned above.  I would trust my now 15 year old daughter (who was 10 when she got to sit at her own bench, by herself) before I will stick around when some of these yahoos show up.  And not just the safety factor but some of these guys are slobs.  How simple is the rule pack it in pack it out. If you leave it a mess sooner than later it will be closed.  I just miss the old days when you drove out of town set up a target with a safe backstop or unlimited safe distance and shot.  It was the norm.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 04:35:32 PM »
It is said that there are millions of new gun owners now that have never shot before or very little. It is scary to be sure. Watch your topknots!
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 11:52:14 PM »
Our local range has no master and is full of these "happenings". I could go on and on but in short, I stay the hell away from there. I have no choice but to trust these people driving down the highway but fortunately I do have the choice to shoot many miles away. Between full sweeps of the firing line and people opening fire on a cold range and everything between I can't risk going anywhere near it.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 12:31:40 PM »
i've been at public ranges twice when
yo-yo's walked out with target in hand while
live fire was in progress. of course, both times
when the firing stopped before a cease-fire was
called, the range master was right on top of
it to see what was happening.
if i hadn't been witness to it, i would swear up
and down that nobody was stupid enough to
walk out onto the target area while a couple
of dozen shooters were sending high speed lead
downrange.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 01:25:58 PM »
Until now I was thinking it sucked that I didn't have a membership at a range.  There's a gravel pit in the side of a hill on the Oregon coast where I go that gets very little use.  It's a bit of a drive to get there but I feel safer taking my grandsons there to shoot...

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2013, 01:54:18 PM »
Don't for a minute think the idiots are limited to public ranges.  Last Sept. I was at my club (less than 80 members) sighting in my 357 Maxi for deer season.  Hadn't rained in about 8 weeks or more.  The grass on each side of the range is only mowed twice a year and at that time it was about 5'-6' high, and powder keg dry.  Three guys unlock the gate and come in.   They're shooting an AR-15 with a bump stock, a M1, and a 45 ACP pistol.  After shooting for a while I'm getting ready to pull the trigger and I see two of them running out into the tall grass.  I look over and see the smoke about 150 yards into the field.  I walk over to the member (whose in his 60's) and asked what happened.  He says they were shooting tracers and one must have ricocheted.  When you sign the papers to become a member there are only about 10 rules and one of them bans tracers.  There's even a sign over the range that says "NO TRACERS". 

Thankfully they stomped the fire out.  It could have burned 10's of acres (or more) of woods and farmland. 

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2013, 02:22:48 PM »
I tend to go very early in the morning during the week.  Only die hard knowledable people are usually there.

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2013, 03:23:18 PM »
I tend to go very early in the morning during the week.  Only die hard knowledable people are usually there.
Its the same at the public range here. The reloaders come at the crack of dawn when the wind is down. Good bunch of folks. I learned a lot while waiting for barrels to cool, including learning to let barrels cool. 
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2013, 01:00:19 AM »
I am retired and belong to private club but still only shoot early in the morning on weekdays.  If anybody I haven't shot with before shows up, I leave.  I will not shoot a muzzleloader if anybody else is at the club.  To me loading an MZ is reloading and that also is something I will not do with spectators, gotta stay focused!
My club is about 20 acres with about 1/2 of it wooded.  Hunting is BANNED at the club because there isn't enough game/land for everyone to hunt, so nobody hunts.  One day in mid February I am shooting a 270 Win at the 200 yd range when I notice 3 folks coming out of the woods about 500 ft west of my shooting table.  Woods are off limits to all except for special events when the range is closed.  Turns out 3 of the BODs didn't think the hunting ban applied to them and were chasing cottontails, with a dog.  The 270 got their attention fast, apparently one of them was very close to the berm when I first shot.  They didn't have enough since to put up a sign on the locked gate to the range.
 
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2013, 04:01:08 AM »
I have met some nice guys and seen some real nice weapons at ranges before but the whole idea of strangers with guns next to me and not being able to go down range when I need to or want to doesn't sit well with me so I have opened Randy's range in the back of my house and only Me, friends, and  family are invited and family not so much! I can sit on a covered back porch and shoot at 5 to 200 yard targets and rarely ever have conflict with myself!  I dont have to get up early and drive, heck I have shot in my tshirt and drawers before. Once in a while I do get into it with the range master over safety issues but I just threaten him with a hangun and he shuts up and goes back to his dog house.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2013, 04:38:16 PM »
I agree with the posts that talk about range safety, I too have been swept by a muzzle, but, I feel that someone should have taken some time to teach these people proper firearms handling.  "We" (gunowners) eventually need these people on our side of the gun rights battle, and don't need to unneccesarilly alienate them.  If no one bothers to teach them, and just avoid them, how will they ever learn? 

A couple of months ago, I was at our club range, and an older ::) fella (older than me  ;) ), was teaching his grandson to shoot.  I was shooting my Handi, and had plenty of time to watch them, since I was letting my barrel cool, between shots.  When he asked me if it was okay to go down range to change targets, I told him, it was okay, and that I was unloaded (gun broke open). 
I then watched him walk downrange with his grandson, while he was changing his target, I glanced over at his rifle (an AR style rifle), and noticed that the magazine was still in the firearm, and the bolt was still closed.  After he came back, I asked him if I could speak to him privately (away from his grandson) for a moment.  I then asked him if he knew his firearm was still loaded, he was embarrassed, that he forgot to unload the rifle before going downrange.  He thanked me, for not embarrassing him in front of his grandson.  Even tho it was an unsafe act on his part, I think he will remember to be more careful in the future.
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2013, 05:08:54 PM »
"I am retired and belong to private club but still only shoot early in the morning on weekdays.  If anybody I haven't shot with before shows up, I leave."
 
I do it the same way at my club.  I don't shoot with folks I don't know either.  Like others, I don't feel safe with others around and like to go down range whenever I want to check my target.  At our range all are required to use chamber checkers even when there alone.  The motion activated cameras allow that to be checked when needed. 
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2013, 05:39:58 PM »
Quote from: YRUpunting?
....... after shooting for a while I'm getting ready to pull the trigger and I see two of them running out into the tall grass.  I look over and see the smoke about 150 yards into the field.  I walk over to the member (whose in his 60's) and asked what happened.  He says they were shooting tracers and one must have ricocheted.  When you sign the papers to become a member there are only about 10 rules and one of them bans tracers.  There's even a sign over the range that says "NO TRACERS". 

Thankfully they stomped the fire out.
  It could have burned 10's of acres (or more) of woods and farmland.

And hopefully you took their license plate info and notified your club president?????  ?  :o   ::)
 
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Re: Range safety
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2013, 05:51:54 PM »
 
Like others have suggested, shooting at a gun club or range of any kind might be HAZARDOUS!
 
Some clubs/ranges I've frequented don't have range wardens/coordinators.
 
And to use those facilities best, require going when anything of a 'crowd' is LEAST and not there!
 
When I lived in Utah, busiest range times were the last couple weeks/days before the deer opener ...... If not Memorial Day or 4th of July weekend ......
 
Best times to go were early Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday AM, etc.
 
Now I live in WA state and belong to a club. 
Weekday mornings (when the cops aren't there practicing) are still
the best times to pop a cap on the pistol or rifle ranges ......  8)
 
Trap range is only open every other Sat or Sunday afternoon, or the Tuesday afternoos of those weeks.  And when shooting trap, the rifle range is closed as the trap [clays] fly across that space ......
 
Our club has rules and members are expected to take names and license plate info when violations are witnessed.

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Re: Range safety
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2013, 10:53:22 AM »
Soon I will be moved back to a town close to my old range...public, unsupervised and frequented by police and rangers/wardens. The only trouble I ever had was some idiot to my right on the end bench of that group fired a large caliber rifle with muzzle break...I felt the shockwave go thru my head from right to left, I threw my rifle down while trying to cover my ears...I was wearing ear plugs but not good enough...I lost 25% of my hearing in my right ear. Always wore ear muffs after that and learned to look around at what folks were shooting near me. The firing line was ablaze with chatter over the moron's lack of respect for what could cause others such grief.