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Offline chuck schafer

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Williams gun
« on: March 13, 2012, 08:34:33 AM »
looking to purches plans to bulid a willaims gun if anyone know where to get such info please let me know

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Re: willaims gun
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 03:07:47 PM »
I've always wanted one.  Even a scale model of one.  (I could see making one in .38-55 or .375 Win.)

There is a functioning one at the museum up in New Market, VA.  ( 38.661185,-78.670607 )

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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 03:29:51 PM »
No plans that I know of. Most complete one is in the Ky. arsenal @ frankfort. It is this one.   
http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~us14thkyinfantry/photo/reunion.html
 
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 06:38:42 PM »
Have you inquired of the ATF on that idea?  Shouldn't be a problem since it is unlikely to be used as a weapon, but you are still dealing with the gov't.
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 02:59:29 AM »
A number of Williams guns have be reproduced.  There was a man here in Michigan that was making them for sale several years ago.  It was my impression that if it was a pre-1898 gun that you were on safe ground.  The Williams gun was a Civil War piece, and should fit in that classification. 
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 10:20:21 AM »
My question was regarding a model that used readily available cartridges. 
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 10:55:31 AM »
The reproduction Williams gun that I am familiar with uses foil wrapped powder charge with the projectile attached which is inserted in the breech.  It is externally primed with a musket cap. 
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Re: willaims gun
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 03:07:39 PM »
I thought antique ordinance publishers had them but there isnt one set listed for them. He gave my pal dave advice on how to do this and that. I'll have to ask dave where he got his plans. There are 3 of them up here that I know
of people that have them.
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Re: Williams gun
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 07:46:35 AM »
I’m new here and I’m not sure exactly what this Forum is about.  So bare with me as I post some follow-up info, as well as post some questions I have.  If my post diverts away from the intent of this Forum and this thread, just direct me back on course.
I am building a 1/6 scale display model of the Williams Gun.  I picked this scale so I could use an “action figure” to pose with the model.  Also that scale is large enough to model the breech mechanism.
My model may be more of an “artist’s representation” than a historically accurate model.  Why?  There is no known photo of the carriage used for the Williams Gun.  The full-size, firing replicas that I have seen are mounted on the wrong type of carriage.  This is based upon photos of the surviving barrels that are mounted on a pintel mount.  I will not go into details at this time. 


 In reply to Chuck’s original question, I have contacted several museums to learn what I can about the Williams Gun.  Watervalet Army Arsenal has the most complete example of this gun with most of the mechanism and hardware, such as sights.  They sent me a drawing with dimensions---but not scaled.


Quoting from above:
"I am familiar with uses foil wrapped powder charge with the projectile attached which is inserted in the breech.  It is externally primed with a musket cap."

There is a lot of debate on some Civil War history forums as to the type of projectile that was fired by the Williams Gun.
I live in Collierville, TN.  During the Battle here on 11 October, 1863, General Chalmers attacked the Union fort with his mounted division.  Among Chalmers troops was  Buckner Battery which was armed with four(4) Williams Gun.  I know of four(4) projectiles that have been dug from the center of town.  These projectiles are iron shot of approximately 1.5 inch diameter---very rusted of course.  There is no record or explanation for any other artillery piece that would fire a canister round of that size having been in this area.  The conclusion of several of us is that this projectile was fired by the Williams Gun at General Sherman’s train and his troops defending the earthen fort.
 

My 1/6-scale Model
My question for this forum is about my model.
Q1: What color did the Confederates paint their gun carriages? I had heard Confederates painted their carriage and caissons a medium BROWN.  To be specific, I would like to know what color was applied to a carriage that was made locally in the mid-1863 in Alabama?
 
Q2:   The Williams Gun had a couple of Brass parts attached to the steel barrel and breech.  It was common to paint steel cannons in BLACK.   Should I paint the brass parts, too? I would think so but many cannons had brass sights that were not painted. 
I would appreciate any replies.
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Re: Williams gun
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 12:55:35 PM »
Since this is so rare, I thought I would check and see if anyone new had anything to add.
 
Here is a video of one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG4AsR0CBzk

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Re: Williams gun
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 02:11:05 PM »
don't recall having ever seen anything about this gun......did he say "first machine gun"???......don't really think this would qualify for that?

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Re: Williams gun
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 12:04:41 AM »
don't recall having ever seen anything about this gun......did he say "first machine gun" ??? ......don't really think this would qualify for that?

Maybe first rapid fire cannon, not sure myself.
 
The Williams gun is on pg 42 of
 
The Machine Gun Volume 1 by George M. Chinn
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24703823/The-Machine-Gun-Volume-1-by-George-M-Chinn

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Re: Williams gun
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 04:30:23 PM »
Captain Reuben Patrick Story and his Williams Gun


 
http://us14thky.blogspot.com/2010/03/captain-reuben-patrick-and-williams-gun.html
 
 
 1894 Civil War Veterans Reunion in Paintsville, Kentucky


 
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