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Offline ironglows

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  I believe it was Saiga, back on the original GBO.  Just in case anyone thinks we and our allies are standing still.  Keep in mind, if China gets frisky, it's not just the USA whom they take on.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjiaLf3jGxw

  There is all of NATO, including the EU, UK and Turkey, plus Japan, Australia, Canada, S Korea and a host of others.
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That documentary may have meant well but it has so many screw-ups it reminds me of the dude during the Iraq war who kept broadcasting how Iraq was winning the war.

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China needs to understand that much of the world is POed with them over Covid-19.  They're economies are

hurting also. China humped to bunk on this one.

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That documentary may have meant well but it has so many screw-ups it reminds me of the dude during the Iraq war who kept broadcasting how Iraq was winning the war.


  Please point out some of the boo-boos, I was primarily interested in showing the USS Zumwalt.  I realize that some of their munitions were frightfully expensive, but they must have solved those issues.


  Please post any errors and the timeline of the video where I can review them.
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I don't look for NATO bail the United States out of ANY conflict with China,  Russia, or any other country.
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I don't look for NATO bail the United States out of ANY conflict with China,  Russia, or any other country.


  I do hesitatingly, but not because they have special regard for the US..but because I believe that they have by now, understood the folly in hoping the wolf will eat them last !



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That documentary may have meant well but it has so many screw-ups it reminds me of the dude during the Iraq war who kept broadcasting how Iraq was winning the war.
Please point out some of the boo-boos, I was primarily interested in showing the USS Zumwalt.  I realize that some of their munitions were frightfully expensive, but they must have solved those issues.

  Please post any errors and the timeline of the video where I can review them.
Firstly the commentator who was obviously just reading a script with no idea what was on the video, kept calling the Zumwalt a battleship.
The term is warship; at least he did not call the British aircraft carrier a battleship.
The main weapon the Zumwalt had was the 155mm, 6.1 inch cannon that has been cancelled.
It was supposed to be a shore bombardment weapon, that was to take the place of the TRUE battleships now retired.
Only some one in the swamp in Washington would think a 6.1 inch weapon is going to take the place of a 16 inch salvo.
it really is now a ship that is hard to see without any useful weapon.


Then he called the B-2 and F-117 fighter aircraft; the F-117 did not even  have its own radar, it could do one thing, drop the two bombs in its bomb bay.
It could carry no other weapons.

After which he say a pilot took the "helm" of an F-22; maybe it can float on water too.
As much as they bragged up the F-35, it relies totally on its digital weapons; fighter pilots have that if it got into a visual range dog fight, it will probably get shot down , as SPEED is still life in a fighter and it is slow compared to any other fighter now in service.
Gee, they used a stealth sub against those technical wonder pirates. :o
Lastly, they speak of a Su-57 sneaking up on a U.S. aircraft while showing an SU-35.

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There aren't 3 countries on the planet that would willingly jump in the fight to save us. Most resent us.
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There aren't 3 countries on the planet that would willingly jump in the fight to save us. Most resent us.
U.K.

Poland

Israel

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That documentary may have meant well but it has so many screw-ups it reminds me of the dude during the Iraq war who kept broadcasting how Iraq was winning the war.
Please point out some of the boo-boos, I was primarily interested in showing the USS Zumwalt.  I realize that some of their munitions were frightfully expensive, but they must have solved those issues.
  While the F35 is only capable of Mach 1.6, most seem to figure that along with it's other capabilities, it is very effective.  I suppose that is why 12 nations at present are waiting for their new F35s .    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2019/5/24/international-market-for-f-35-heats-up#:~:text=Twelve%20countries%20have%20committed%20to,their%20global%20footprint%20even%20further.


  The F35 is designed to fill many roles, not the least of which is the VTOL or "jump-jet" feature.  Most nations would give much to have a vertical take off and landing fighter jet, say nothing about a mach 1.6 capable one.

  Please post any errors and the timeline of the video where I can review them.
Firstly the commentator who was obviously just reading a script with no idea what was on the video, kept calling the Zumwalt a battleship.
The term is warship; at least he did not call the British aircraft carrier a battleship.
The main weapon the Zumwalt had was the 155mm, 6.1 inch cannon that has been cancelled.
It was supposed to be a shore bombardment weapon, that was to take the place of the TRUE battleships now retired.
Only some one in the swamp in Washington would think a 6.1 inch weapon is going to take the place of a 16 inch salvo.
it really is now a ship that is hard to see without any useful weapon.


Then he called the B-2 and F-117 fighter aircraft; the F-117 did not even  have its own radar, it could do one thing, drop the two bombs in its bomb bay.
It could carry no other weapons.

After which he say a pilot took the "helm" of an F-22; maybe it can float on water too.
As much as they bragged up the F-35, it relies totally on its digital weapons; fighter pilots have that if it got into a visual range dog fight, it will probably get shot down , as SPEED is still life in a fighter and it is slow compared to any other fighter now in service.
Gee, they used a stealth sub against those technical wonder pirates. :o
Lastly, they speak of a Su-57 sneaking up on a U.S. aircraft while showing an SU-35.


  The voice may have been an ersatz or "created" voice.


  But thanks for the corrections Bob.  I mistakenly assumed that since battleships were no longer being commissioned, that almost any combat worthy ship could be called a battle ship. (word separation intended). The term "helm" I should have caught, but as I said, I was most interested in pointing out that the US is not taking a back seat to weapons development to China or any other country.
 
   So far as the F35 is concerned, yes it is only capable of Mach 1.6, but along with it's other capabilities, it must be a good deal, even though it is the very costly fighter plane.
  One of it's capabilities is of course, is the VTOL feature.
  Many nations would give much to have a functional vertical take off and landing fighter jet, say nothing of one capable of mach 1.6!  The Harrier (UK) was a great plane, but it is getting a bit "long in the tooth".


  It must be a very competitive design, since 12 nations already have F35s on order, while many others would like them, except they cannot afford them.


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There aren't 3 countries on the planet that would willingly jump in the fight to save us. Most resent us.
U.K.

Poland

Israel


I was going to say Poland and Israel. I'm not so sure about the U.K. I trust Australia more than I do them.

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In reguards to NATO, Poland is probably our most loyal Allie in that organization from what I've seen.


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The China seeds folks are getting in the mail. That is an invasive plant species do not plant it, its isn't a gift.
It will kill off anything else. So, China is trying to pull off a fast one on the US again?


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They have been our enemy, fighting us openly (Korea) or clandestinely, since 1949 !
"They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns, then it will be through the bullet"      (Saul Alinsky) ...hero of the left..