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https://www.foxnews.com/auto/electric-ford-mustang-cobra-jet-1400-loses-drag-race-to-gas-powered-mustang-but-beats-chevy

By Gary Gastelu | Fox News

Talk about a show pony.



The Ford Mustang Cobra Jet 1400 pranced down the strip at Lucas Oil Raceway at Indianapolis during the U.S. Nationals this past weekend with its front wheels in the air to demonstrate the potential of electric drive.


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The drag car is powered by a pair of twin Cascadia Motion electric motors that Ford Performance has tweaked to deliver 1,502 wheel horsepower to the rear slicks through a 3-speed transmission.




Ford says it has covered a quarter-mile in 8.27 seconds at a trap speed 168 mph in private testing, and it put NHRA Funny Car driver Bob Tasca III behind the wheel at Indianapolis to take on a sportsman class supercharged V8-powered 2018 Mustang Cobra Jet driven by Tony Pedregon. Ford has never revealed an official power output for the V8 Cobra Jet, but it has been estimated to be in the 1,000 hp range.

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Tasca had a slower reaction time and pulled a high and long wheel stand at the green light, which let Pedregon take an early lead that he didn’t give up. The gas-powered Mustang beat its electric counterpart 8.797 seconds at 158.26 mph to 8.826 seconds at 156.81 mph.

Chevy eCOPO Camaro: What the future of racing sounds likeVideo
The run did give Ford battery-powered bragging rights over Chevy, whose 700 hp eCOPO Camaro clocked a quarter-mile of 9.837 seconds at 134.07 mph last year.



Gary Gastelu is FoxNews.com's Automotive Editor covering the car industry and racing. Follow @foxnewsautos


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The Mustang is a seriously ugly car, gas or electric. Don't care how fast they are, I'm not interested. I have a feeling doing a wheel stand out in public could become expensive.

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I think they are very nice looking cars. But back in the day I owned three different 2+2 fastback Mustangs. My first was a black '65 with 4 in the floor, the next two both '66s were white and a blue one.

The white one a GT had a full Cobra kit installed and it was a serious hotrod. I actually owned it twice. We sold it to my oldest sister in law and then bought it back from her later. She sure loved to drag race in it and said she never lost. I rode with her once and it seemed like she was drag racing at every stop light in town even with no one else but her in the race.



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Some of the early ones were pretty good looking cars but these today make me think of some kind of bottom feeding fish. I nerve owned a mustang but I drove a datsun that would blow the doors off of them back then. Little bitty thing was seriously fast when the carbs were in snyc and not too slouchy when they got a little off either.

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The grills on many of todays cars are ugly to hideous.
Mustang is not bad but looks worse, due to blackout, on the hi-po ones rather than the basic ones.

You should not have raced six banger secretary cars, not fair. :P
I had a turbo Z challenge my Boss once , as I passed it, now I do admit I dropped it down a gear but left the dude and his girl friend a distant memory in my rear view mirror.  8)

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Back in my younger and more stupid days I had that white Mustang at 160 mph. You could be doing 55 mph and floor it and the tires would smoke. It was by far the fastest car I've ever owned or ridden in.


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yup theres no way a 240 z runs with a boss 302. Not a chance in hell. 
The grills on many of todays cars are ugly to hideous.
Mustang is not bad but looks worse, due to blackout, on the hi-po ones rather than the basic ones.

You should not have raced six banger secretary cars, not fair. :P
I had a turbo Z challenge my Boss once , as I passed it, now I do admit I dropped it down a gear but left the dude and his girl friend a distant memory in my rear view mirror.  8)
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. Im not a ford guy but saw a gt500 the other day that was absolutely gorgeous. It looked just it would tear your head off which it was more then capable of doing. I love the look of the new mustangs, camaros and challengers. The camaro if any is the one that got the farthest away from its original look. But its still a sharp car. Only one of the american hot rods i cant warm up to is the charger. Maybe if it was a 2 door like a muscle car is suppose to be but a muscle car should have 4 doors.  Most who bash the looks of these new hotrods are the ones that just cant afford one. Same ones that go to the car show in there rusty silverado or malibu and pick apart the cars. By the way the 240s and 260 z's were mid 16-mid 17 cars. Like bob said if you were whipping mustangs they were 6 cyl or possibly but not likely base model 2 barrel 289s. Like ive said about comparing new muscle cars to the ones of the 70s memories are much faster then the truth.
Some of the early ones were pretty good looking cars but these today make me think of some kind of bottom feeding fish. I nerve owned a mustang but I drove a datsun that would blow the doors off of them back then. Little bitty thing was seriously fast when the carbs were in snyc and not too slouchy when they got a little off either.
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heres the reality https://www.imsa.com/news/2020/04/06/anticipating-the-2021-mustang-mach-1-we-look-back-at-the-original-run/  vs  https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2018/2018-ford-mustang-ecoboost-first-test-chip-shoulder/   Takes a 428 mach one to beat even a 4cyl mustang today. Even out of the early Shelby mustangs and K code 289s the only one that would even give it a fair race is the 65 Shelby. https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/shelby-0-60-mph-times/    https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-ford-mustang-boss-302.htm (yup bob you were in trouble too) and anyone that knows mustangs knows that the 65 shellby was the only one that was really a race ready Shelby and was much more of a track car then a street car. The rest were lip stick on k code gts. They were the quickest mustangs until the 428s and 429s hit the street. Heck it looks like my 392 challenger would need the threat of a 427 REAL cobra to make it sweat. Quarter mile times are about the same and that was basically an aluminum beer can with a full race 427 in it. A hellcat, zl1 or a new gt500 would beat it by a full second and thats an eternity in a drag race thats eating them for lunch differnces.   Even those would be in trouble racing a base v8 mustang today. This kind of comparison isnt just for the ford fans. I could substitute challenger or camaro in the same type of real world statistics and like i said you will find out fast that memorys are dammed fast, the cars? not so much. I think some of it too comes from the sound of air sucking into a big holley and the rumble of a big block at idle or the fact they handled so poorly that they felt scary and the fact that those  polyglass belted bias ply tires would go up in smoke on a corolla today. I still remember my ls6 the most because it was the fastest thing i owned back them. Running it up past a 100 would make your but pucker. Took a wife in the new challenger the other day was was cruising down a back road at 90 mph and told her look at the speedometer. She was blown away and said it felt like we were driving 65. Looked at the tack and it was showing 2k !!! Not much more then a fast idle. Bottom line is we had another 90 mph to go to find the top end of it. Add to that that a new mustang or Camaro handles even better then that challenger. Yup i love the good old days. They started about 10 years go and just keep getting better and better.
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Too many, think of street stock, (those dudes nowadays that spend tens of thousands do make their car as close to out of the factory, including over spray, are not gearheads, they are absolutely complete morons with too much money).
I NEVER judge any Detroit muscle car by how it rolled out of the factory, back then it was a unfinished work whose ability was  controlled by the owners pocket book.
It could be as radically fast as one wanted or could afford.

Remember this was in the day before online crate engines, you found a speed shop and did on your own what you could and hired out what you could not.
I remember when was going to, and finally did,  put on a barely muffled side exhaust system, and went to Headers by Ed in Minneapolis.
I found his address and drove there in the middle of a block in a totally old school residential area; I drove down the alley, the kind  town used to have on every block, and pulled up to a garage, not the kind built for working on cars , the kind build for a family,  and not attached to the 1950s house.
He advertised in most of the major hi-performance magazines back then , I found it in Hot Rod; we talked and he said he could do it, and would,  but it would be best if I checked other sources, as it would be FAR cheaper for me to do so.
I put on Thrush stock car racing header mufflers and cobbled up side system to go with it, which I did at a local speed shop in my home town.

My Boss, I did not install it had an after market rolls bar, zero emissions crap, headers, at first a 650 double pumpers, which was stolen off of the car, one night , so then I put on a standard 780, as money was tight and that was quickest cheapest.
The 650 was actually a better size for that engine on the street.
I bought it with over size tires G60, which I SHOULD HAVE replaced with different ones as they were the death of the car and nearly me. Rock hard SOBs that broke loose in a corner, all four, but they were great for smokey burn-outs.
It would have , even with the rock hard SOB tires easily been a lot quicker than that factory time.

One good thing, and the mechanic at the speed shop I bought the new carb. from and put it on, when I remarked at extremely good mileage I had been getting at high speed cruise,  with the double pumper.
He told me,  unless you pushed the linkage hard enough to open the other two barrels you were cruising with a 325 cfm two barrel and told me that 650 was actually a better fit for that engine but cost a lot more in 1970s money back then.

After I wrecked the car, the police found and returned the double pumper I bought it  with. >:(

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As a side note as to how far engine technology, although tire rubber is just as important, has come; back when Pro-Stock was pretty much just that.
Professionally modified street cars, which makes a huge difference from tube frame race chassis.

There was an AMC hard core site, gone now as far as I can tell, where one dude had bought out the speed gear from the gent who ran the AMC Pro-Stock team.
He had pictures of the cylinder heads that were used; NO pair were identical , the ports, intake and exhaust, valve gear were skunk work radical.
HUGE PORTS, radical combustion chamber shapes and valve sizes; he said they were , unless you wanted to drive a barely streetable car, that got gallons per mile, useless for a street car, and only usable on a radically tuned raced engine.

I have heard similar stories from gents who bought at garage sales, the term actually fits here, when major engine builders retired, engines or just engine parts from them.
How times have changed.
These are the boys Detroit should get on their knees and thank, although computers replacing the black science of carburettors, is what has made them streetable.

Nowadays you can buy ready to run cylinder heads that would probably flow as well as those with only mild porting .

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for the most part kids out of engineering school make these new cars fast. Cams thats profiles are so much more fine tuned that are created on computer simulators, computer controlled fuel injection and ignition that fine tunes fuel air ratios and timing advance at every rpm from idle to wide open. Something even the best tuner and builder back then could do with a distributor and carburetor. Transmissions with twice as many gears so there isnt near the drop off out of the ideal power range when you shift or better yet the computer shifts for you. Much more precise machining capability's that make engine tolerances basically better and more consistent right off the production like on your pickup truck then a engine builder could do blue printing your motor in the 60s. Better oil that allows it to be lighter to reduce drag. Speaking of drag, wind tunnel testing for wind drag added not only the gas mileage increases but it took less power to push through the wind then the old boxy muscle cars of the 60s. Modern materials like better plastics, high tech metals, use of aluminum, carbon fiber ect to lower weight.

I think first we have to thank computers, then the snot nosed kids that learned to use them. Much more so then the mechanic with dirty clothes, some cope in his lip leaning over the bench changing jets on a holley. Bottom like is theres still speed shops. But there ran by much more knowledgeable (technically) and when you go to one its not a gamble its not a lets try this thing. They use cnc machines and water jets to port heads to exacting repeatable finished products. They use cams that arent generic small block chev "3/4 race cams" the cams have computer designed profiles that address much more then just final lift height of the valve. Heads that are about allways aluminum because it sheds heat better to reduce detonation. They can put your car on a dyno and throw out the epa gas mileage tune the factory uses and again tune your fuel air and ignition all the way through the rpm range under the same load youd see on the road. Like i said these are all things brought to us by snot nosed kids that have there heads burried in there cell phones for the most part. Not things a mechanic from the 60s that MIGHT have graduated high school (barely if he did) could even dream of.

Its why theres completely street able docile driving 20 mpg with the air on cars at your local dealer that put out more hp then even the best nascar motor builder could whip up for a race car in the 70s. What the 60s and early 70s did for us muscle car lovers is show the auto makers that performance does sell. Heck even if it only got 10mpg. About the only thing that really carrys over from those "good old days" is the names on some of the cars. Saving we should thank the old mechanics is like saying a nascar engine builder should thank the guy at the filling station that changed the plugs in your great grandpas model T. If we need to thank anyone from way back its the shine runners, salt flat guys and early nascar guys that sparked the need for speed in the public.  Heck even stupid Lloyd back in the 70s bought cams at the part store and slapped them in. Put different manifolds and carbs, headers ect on cars. Sure wasnt rocket science then. Never ported a set of car heads but my buddies and I did many 2 stroke snowmobile engines back them. But it was much of the same. You took the hottest snowmobile of the day that might have made 50hp and ported it put a bigger carb on it and a VERY LOUD set of pipes and might have ended up with 60hp at least till you burned a piston. Today you can go to the snowmobile shop and half the sleds on the showroom put out between a 150 and 200 hp quietly and your wife could drive one and they will run 5 times longer then the motors we had then. Same can be said about motor cycles. Compare even the modern harley to a shovel head or God forbid a flat head or knuckle head. Look at the number of crotch rockets that can run in the 11s and even the 10s!!!! What do ALL of these things have in common? A COMPUTER OR TWO OR THREE and a nerd who figured out a program. A COMPUTER on the assembly line cutting tolerances that were unheard of in the 60s. If you want to thanks someone forget the old grease monkey and thank the people who invented computers and made them accessible to everyone.

Sad thing is i can see this all dying. Kids today dont care about things like fast cars and bikes and snowmobiles. there more concerned about how many "g's" (what ever that means) there phone has and whos on face book today and if they want to drive something fast why would they risk getting dirty or getting hurt in a wreck when they can do it on a video game. If they want a fast car its a turbo suburu with a 5 inch exhaust pipe that sounds like a ups truck without a muffler. Car manufactures are seeing it. Rumors are the camaro as we know it is going away. The mustang name has already been slapped on an ugly sport utility. Electric or hybrid versions with sound producers to make them sound like a real v8. Makes me sick to my stomach. Thankfully im old enough now that there will at least be used ones available till i die. I dont care if they make a 800 hp 4 cyl hybrid car that gets 50mpg and has 4 choices of sound production on a 2 foot wide computer read out on the dash i aint buying. Make mine a v8!!! Right up there with cars that drive themselves if you ask me. Its why i always say THIS is the golden age of muscle cars. It will be the real decade or two thats look back on and pined over by guys who love FAST cars. Young today want cars that drive themselves so they can tap on there phones and not even look up.
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