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Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« on: September 18, 2020, 02:27:24 AM »
https://www.livescience.com/vikings-were-not-always-blonde-or-scandinavian.html

By Yasemin Saplakoglu - Staff Writer 21 hours ago

The research "debunks the modern image of Vikings."


Researchers sequenced the DNA from more than 400 Viking remains including from this female skeleton named Kata discovered in a Viking burial site in Varnhem, Sweden. (Image: © Västerg�nds Museum)

Those ferocious seafaring warriors that explored, raided and traded across Europe from the late eighth to the early 11th centuries, known as the Vikings, are typically thought of as blonde Scandinavians. But Vikings may have a more diverse history: They carried genes from Southern Europe and Asia, a new study suggests.

"We didn't know genetically what they actually looked like until now," senior author Eske Willerslev, a fellow of St. John's College of the University of Cambridge, and director of The Lundbeck Foundation GeoGenetics Centre at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, said in a statement. The research "debunks the modern image of Vikings." 

For the study, which took six years to complete, an international group of researchers analyzed the DNA taken from the remains — such as the teeth and bones — of 442 people who lived sometime between about 2400 B.C. to A.D.1600 found in archaeological sites across Europe and Greenland. These people lived, for the most part, during the Viking Age, which lasted from about A.D. 750 to A.D. 1050. The researchers then compared these ancient people's DNA with already published DNA sequences from 3,855 modern-day individuals and from 1,118 other ancient individuals.

This sweeping gene analysis suggested that the Vikings weren't just the continuation of Iron Age groups who lived from about 500 B.C. to about A.D. 700 in Scandinavia before the Viking Age. Rather, the Vikings and their ancestors would have intermingled often with people from Asia and Southern Europe. Many Viking individuals had "high levels of non-Scandinavian ancestry," the authors wrote in the paper.


Researchers analyzed the DNA from some remains found in a mass grave of 50 headless Vikings in Dorset, U.K.Researchers analyzed the DNA from some remains found in a mass grave of 50 headless Vikings in Dorset, U.K. (Image credit: Dorset County Council/Oxford Archaeology)

"No one could have predicted these significant gene flows into Scandinavia from Southern Europe and Asia happened before and during the Viking Age," Willerslev said. They also found that many Vikings had brown hair, not blonde blond hair as typically imagined, according to the statement.

The researchers found genetic differences among different Viking populations within Scandinavia, which suggests that Viking groups were much more isolated from each other than previously thought, Willerslev said. The coastal communities had high genetic diversity — likely due to more trading and spread of people — than communities in the heartland of Scandinavia, the authors wrote.

What's more, by comparing ancient genes to modern-day genes, the researchers were able to confirm ideas about how the Vikings moved out of Scandinavia to raid and trade. Vikings from present-day Denmark typically went to England; Vikings from Sweden went mostly east to the Baltic region; and Vikings from Norway traveled to Ireland, Iceland, Greenland and the Isle of Man.


An artist's reconstruction of "Southern European" Vikings.An artist's reconstruction of "Southern European" Vikings. (Image credit: Jim Lyngvild)


Their finds also revealed unique cultural tidbits. A boat burial in Estonia may have been the earliest evidence of a Viking voyage, according to the paper. It's not clear if this expedition was a raid or a "diplomatic" expedition; but the burial, made up of two boats, contained the remains of 41 men from modern-day Sweden who died violently and were buried with "high-status" weaponry. Among the burial remains were four brothers and a relative, which suggested raiding may have been a family or local activity, according to the statement. Others in the burial had similar genes, suggesting they came from the same local spot in what is now Sweden.

And it turns out, not every person treated as a Viking was genetically a Viking. In Orkney, Scotland, the researchers found two male skeletons in a Viking burial site. They were buried with swords and other Viking items, but they weren't actually Vikings, but rather genetically similar to modern-day Irish and Scottish people.

The findings were published yesterday (Sept. 16) in the journal Nature.

Originally published on Live Science.


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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 04:04:26 AM »
It seems that the Normandy section of France, settled by Vikings, may reflect the dark haired genes.  However, we should not ignore the many redheads in Ireland and Scotland, who researchers credit the Vikings with instituting there. 
https://andreacefalo.com/2015/06/11/got-red-hair-maybe-you-should-thank-a-viking/
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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 06:35:07 AM »
After an Ancestry. com DNA test it came back as 92% Scandinavian. All Blonds and a few dark haired, they didn't specify what part of Scandinavia, that's a broad spectrum. Just probably Norway or Denmark. No red heads ever that I know of. My two daughters turned out Blond and blue eyes.

Now days it's a crap shoot anyway, usually due to marriages. My big brother married a dark haired lady.
All their kids turned looking like like thier mother. Very sweet lady though, her daddy said they were Britts.

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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2020, 02:52:17 AM »
Won't surprise me when next the reporting says that Vikings were Mutant Ninja Turtles of the humpback dwarf cannabilistic kind.  Just wait for it...

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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2020, 03:07:34 AM »
I don't much care what color hair they had, or where they were from. Their affect on American history (if any) was, and is negligible.
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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2020, 04:11:43 AM »
Won't surprise me when next the reporting says that Vikings were Mutant Ninja Turtles of the humpback dwarf cannabilistic kind.  Just wait for it...

  Whether their field is medicine, technology, history, genealogy or any of a hundred other pursuits, it seems like there are always some who are driven to make a "startling discovery", which usually means they play the part of an iconoclast !
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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2020, 06:20:52 AM »
Won't surprise me when next the reporting says that Vikings were Mutant Ninja Turtles of the humpback dwarf cannabilistic kind.  Just wait for it...

  Whether their field is medicine, technology, history, genealogy or any of a hundred other pursuits, it seems like there are always some who are driven to make a "startling discovery", which usually means they play the part of an iconoclast !
For sure.

If one checks history, the British ruler, William the Conqueror, was a Viking.


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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 04:42:56 PM »
William crossed the English Channel, from Normandy in France.  Normandy got it's name from the Normans (North Men).  I spoke about the Normans in reply #1.
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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2020, 06:07:40 PM »
William crossed the English Channel, from Normandy in France.  Normandy got it's name from the Normans (North Men).  I spoke about the Normans in reply #1.
His great-grand-father was Rollo, a Viking, whose ancestors, not just him ruled a lot of Europe.

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Re: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2020, 12:12:37 AM »
In the 9th and 10th centuries, the Vikings terrorized nearly all of western Europe and parts of eastern Europe. Christians on European shores and river estuaries, regularly prayed, "Lord, from the fury of the North Men preserve us ".

  Vikings sailed from the Mediterranean through the Dardanelles and the Bosporous, past Istanbul (once Constantinople), into the Black Sea and then on through to Russia.
   In the 11th century, Vikings from Russia were hired as guards for Hagia Sophia, the huge  once Christian church at Istanbul. Archaeology shows that Vikings in Russia, also travelled between central white Russia, directly to Scandinavia.

  In fact, I just finished reading (2nd time), the book called, "Eaters of the Dead"  by Michael Crichton.
  Crichton took a surviving journal, kept by one Ibn Fadlan, a Muslim envoy who, in the early 10th century, travelled that very route with a company of Vikings.  Crichton made a book of this journal.
  Eaters of the Dead ...provides a great insight into 10th century Muslim and Viking culture and minds. A great "been there, done that" source of information, which should be available in your local library.

     BTW: The attractive, fair complexioned women who come out of Russia, are often cited as being of Viking heritage.
  https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/eaters-of-the-dead_michael-crichton/255771/item/595211/?mkwid=IB9PtBiX%7cdc&pcrid=70112865792&product=595211&plc=&pgrid=21323651472&ptaid=aud-376656233455%3apla-293630284930&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_content=IB9PtBiX%7cdc%7cpcrid%7c70112865792%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cproduct%7c595211%7cslid%7c%7cpgrid%7c21323651472%7cptaid%7caud-376656233455%3apla-293630284930%7c&gclid=CjwKCAjw-5v7BRAmEiwAJ3DpuG7AfEvzl6KrWa1fNMrXUugh55mEulN_9wnCqRMFYclSJOt9c4mZzBoCIQQQAvD_BwE#isbn=0061782637&idiq=595211
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