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Some States are looking at letting Americans carry concealed without a permit.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-eye-concealed-carry-guns-without-permit

States push for allowing concealed carry of guns without permit
The proposed changes come after gun sales hit historic levels last summer.
By Bradford Betz | Fox News

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GOP lawmakers in multiple states are aiming to relax certain gun restrictions by allowing people to carry concealed firearms without having to obtain a permit, continuing a trend that many gun control advocates say is frightening.

Fifteen states already allow concealed carry without a permit, and lawmakers in nine others have proposed allowing or expanding the practice. GOP governors are backing the changes in Utah and Tennessee. Another bill expanding permitless carry in Montana has passed the state House.

FILE: A man carries his weapon during a second amendment gun rally at Utah State Capitol on Feb. 8, 2020, in Salt Lake City.
FILE: A man carries his weapon during a second amendment gun rally at Utah State Capitol on Feb. 8, 2020, in Salt Lake City.  (AP)

Most states require people to do things like get weapons training and undergo a background check to get a permit to carry a gun hidden by a jacket or inside a purse. Groups like the National Rifle Association and state lawmakers who support gun rights argue those requirements are ineffective and undermine Second Amendment protections.

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The proposed changes come after gun sales hit historic levels last summer — reflected in FBI background checks — amid uncertainty and safety concerns about the coronavirus pandemic, the struggling economy and protests over racial injustice. Since then, a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol.

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Against that backdrop, the efforts to loosen concealed carry requirements are a frightening trend for Shannon Watts, founder of the gun control group Moms Demand Action.

"It is dangerous to allow people to carry hidden, loaded handguns possibly without a background check or any training," she said, adding that the annual rate of aggravated assaults with a firearm has increased 71% in Alaska since the state became the first to allow concealed carry without a permit in 2003.

The proposal in Utah would allow any U.S. citizen 21 and older to carry a concealed weapon without the now-required background check or weapons course. The bill does allow gun owners who want to carry a concealed weapon out of state to get a permit to do so after a background check and safety course.

Newly elected GOP Gov. Spencer Cox has said he supports the idea, in contrast to his predecessor and fellow Republican Gary Herbert, who vetoed a similar bill in 2013.

Supporters of the change argue that other state laws against such things as felons having guns and anyone carrying a firearm while intoxicated are enough to ensure guns are used safely.

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"I have that right to protect myself, the Constitution says we have the right. Why are we putting a barrier for law-abiding citizens?" said Rep. Walt Brooks, the Republican lawmaker sponsoring the bill  that got an early nod of approval from a House committee Friday. The software company president has represented rural southern Utah for about four years.

He pointed to a multistate study published in 2018 by the Journal of the American College of Surgeons that found loosening concealed carry permit laws didn't lead to more homicides or violent crime. Utah does not require a permit for guns carried openly.

In Tennessee, Republican lawmakers are expected to push again to allow most adults 21 and older to carry firearms — concealed or openly — without a license that now requires a background check and training.

GOP Gov. Bill Lee backed the idea last year, though the proposal and others were put on hold amid the pandemic.

The push in Tennessee came after the GOP-dominant General Assembly relaxed the state's handgun law in 2020 by allowing people to obtain a concealed-carry-only handgun permit that didn't require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon.

In Montana, the House recently passed a bill to allow people to carry concealed firearms without a permit in most places.


Similar bills that would allow or expand concealed carry without a permit have been introduced in Texas, South Carolina, Florida, Indiana, Alabama and Georgia.

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In Texas, where the NRA plans to incorporate soon and where some lawmakers bring concealed handguns to work at the state Capitol, the GOP has listed the issue as one of just eight legislative priorities. The idea has failed to gain traction for years, though, and with the pandemic promising to be the predominant force in the upcoming session, its prospects are once again uncertain.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Bradford Betz is an editor for Fox News. Follow him on Twitter @bradford_betz.
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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With thousands of South America caravan people coming here thanks to Biden. Crime and disease is only going to increase. Better be armed.  Or just hit em with a spit wad. We've had one home invasion, and two where they were sneaking around in our fenced back yard. And another who was drunk driveing a stolen car, and ran through our fence.

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SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED should be adhered to religiously by all states.

I disarmed myself to go to Niagara falls and I'll never do that again.   I'd like to visit some NE states but I'd have to go through NY.
we do plan to travel out west, but we'll skip Nebraska because they don't recognize my rights.

Oh, we did carry pepper spray on our NY trip, but could have faced a heavy fine if we had to use it, because we DIDN'T BUY IT IN NY.
How stupid is that??
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went to the va hospital last week and they had a sign in the checkout that no guns are allowed. So i promptly took mine out and handed it to the receptionist and asked her to hold it till i was done. I talked to my doctor about it (who by the way is a lesbian and a liberal but a nice person) she said Lloyd dont worry about it. Just dont show it off. I told her thats the object with consealed carry. She said even she thought in todays troubled times carrying isnt a bad idea. So even the VA that takes care of our combat vetrans is discriminating against carrrying.
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New Hampshire has had Constitutional carry since 2016 and despite the warnings from liberals about becoming the "wild west" and "bloodbaths in the streets" our murder rate has stayed the same which is very low compared to most states.
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So. There actually considering giving us a right we already have guaranteed by the constitution. How very white of them...

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   I been carrying with no permit for years , and will continue to do so .

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   I been carrying with no permit for years , and will continue to do so .


That's why it/s called concealed my friend. CHARLIE.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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   I been carrying with no permit for years , and will continue to do so .

Don't ask, don't tell.
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New guy, but agree heavily with the good people on this forum. I carry my gun out side in Arizona in view of any one to see. So far none of the far left weirdos have bothered me. Good to be here.

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JMHO-
A law abiding citizen of the United States
should be able to carry a loaded functional
firearm wherever they go.
I never understood why others can't grasp
that somebody that can't be trusted to own
and safely carry a firearm probably shouldn't
be running loose in public, and likely needs
to be confined for whatever reason.

First example I can think of is the elderly
neighbor lady that has let her convict
drug addict grandsons live with her
off and on. The one there now has
been in 4 times hard time, and no
telling how many "minor " offenses
in the county lockup. He's told me
straight out that he steals and
enjoys getting high on meth and
heroin and has 4 illegitimates and
1 on the way that we'll have to pay
for forever.
But there he is, running around free
and loose as a goose with no cares
or responsibilities, just one of
millions just like him.

But, the gubmint needs to keep
track of law abiding citizens
with guns.  . . .
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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JMHO-
A law abiding citizen of the United States
should be able to carry a loaded functional
firearm wherever they go.
I never understood why others can't grasp
that somebody that can't be trusted to own
and safely carry a firearm probably shouldn't
be running loose in public, and likely needs
to be confined for whatever reason.

First example I can think of is the elderly
neighbor lady that has let her convict
drug addict grandsons live with her
off and on. The one there now has
been in 4 times hard time, and no
telling how many "minor " offenses
in the county lockup. He's told me
straight out that he steals and
enjoys getting high on meth and
heroin and has 4 illegitimates and
1 on the way that we'll have to pay
for forever.
But there he is, running around free
and loose as a goose with no cares
or responsibilities, just one of
millions just like him.

But, the gubmint needs to keep
track of law abiding citizens
with guns.  . . .


YEP, and sorry to say he'll get a covid chk to buy more dope, and likely steal gmas too. CHARLIE.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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New guy, but agree heavily with the good people on this forum. I carry my gun out side in Arizona in view of any one to see. So far none of the far left weirdos have bothered me. Good to be here.
Welcome to the site.
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New guy, but agree heavily with the good people on this forum. I carry my gun out side in Arizona in view of any one to see. So far none of the far left weirdos have bothered me. Good to be here.

GOLDIE. Welcome to GBO FRIEND. CHARLIE.  ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm