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Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
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Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry
The Republican-dominated Legislature approved the measure Monday, sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott
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Texas is poised to remove one of its last major gun restrictions after lawmakers approved allowing people to carry handguns without a license, and the background check and training that go with it.

The Republican-dominated Legislature approved the measure Monday, sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott, who has said he will sign it despite the objections of law enforcement groups who say it would endanger the public and police.

Gun control groups also oppose the measure, noting the state's recent history of mass shootings, including those at an El Paso Walmart, a church in Sutherland Springs, and a high school outside Houston.

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A supporter of open carry gun laws wears a pistol as he prepares for a rally in support of open carry gun laws at the Capitol, in Austin, Texas on Jan. 26, 2015. (AP Photo/Eric Gay, File)
A supporter of open carry gun laws wears a pistol as he prepares for a rally in support of open carry gun laws at the Capitol, in Austin, Texas on Jan. 26, 2015. (AP Photo/Eric Gay, File)
Texas already has some of the loosest gun laws in the country and has more than 1.6 million handgun license holders.

Supporters of the bill say it would allow Texans to better defend themselves in public while abolishing unnecessary impediments to the constitutional right to bear arms. Once signed into law, Texas will join nearly two dozen other states that allow some form of unregulated carry of a handgun, and by far be the most populous.

The National Rifle Association was among those supporting the measure, and a spokesman called it the "most significant" gun-rights measure in the state’s history.

"A right requiring you to pay a tax or obtain a government permission slip is not a right at all," said Jason Ouimet, executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action.

Texas already allows rifles to be carried in public without a license. The measure sent to Abbott would allow anyone age 21 or older to carry a handgun as long as they don't have felony criminal convictions or some other legal prohibition in their background.

But without the state background check, law enforcement groups worry there would be no way to weed them out in advance. The bill does include stiffer penalties for felons caught illegally carrying guns.

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The bill would not prevent businesses from banning guns on their property, and federal background checks for some gun purchases would remain in place. Texas has no state requirements for background checks on private guns sales.

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Texas has allowed people to carry handguns since 1995, and has been reducing the cost and training requirements for getting a license for the last decade.

Texas’ move to further loosen gun laws galled El Paso lawmakers, including Democratic state Rep. Joe Moody, who on Sunday night delivered an emotional address on the House floor that recounted being in rooms with the governor and family members searching for loved ones after the Walmart shooting in 2019.

The 2021 legislative session is the first time state lawmakers have met in session since the attack that killed 23 people.

There were promises, Moody recalled, that the state would "take gun safety seriously" after the shooting. Authorities have said the shooter had targeted Mexicans in the border city.

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"When the doors were closed I heard lots of promises," Moody said. "I haven’t heard them since."
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2021, 11:08:41 PM »
good for them. Should be a federal law everywhere!
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2021, 03:05:45 AM »
The argument coming out of El Paso TX is an interesting argument. I've been through, and spent the night in El Paso many times, and it's a busy city.
That Walmart, on the day of the  mass shooting was packed. There is no telling how many concealed carriers were in that store.
Not one single private citizen stepped up with their gun and tried to stop the slaughter. Not  one.
The lesson learned there that day was, that not many people have the nerve to run "toward the gunfire". They run the in the opposite direction.
I have seen that first hand more than once, and that is a fact that many times is rejected by "would be, but never been, shootists".  They claim they'll fight, but most won't.

So I'm for this "right to carry" in Texas. I'm not worried about old west gunfights in the streets, but I do see better manors resulting. Maybe? People are naturally apprehensive, and bullys eventually bully the wrong guy in such an environment.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2021, 03:07:35 AM »
Well, God bless Texas.

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2021, 04:34:47 AM »
I can't believe it's not legal there now.  Been legal in Wisconsin for as long as I can remember, protections were put in place in 2011 so police could not issue disorderly conducts for carrying.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2021, 04:44:25 AM »
We've been legal for over 20 years to carry concealed with a "shall issue license" and a couple of years ago open carry came in, along with knives, swords, machetes whatever.
This new measure merely does away with the ccw license.

How does everybody feel about "drivers licenses" and "pilots licenses", and "car license plates"?
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2021, 05:07:09 AM »
Wisconsin was just opposite, open carry was legal but conceal carry had be illegal since 1872 and was only implemented about 10 years ago. Weird...
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2021, 06:10:16 AM »
same with MI. Its been legal to open carry without a permit as long as i can remember. Concealed carry came out in the 90s but required a permit. At first you had to go to training and go before a gun board to get a concealed permit. Now theres no review board and although you still have to do the training but its a right to carry state and unless your mentaly ill or are a felon its pretty tough for them to deny you.

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How does everybody feel about "drivers licenses" and "pilots licenses", and "car license plates"?
driving a car or flying a plane isnt a constitutional right. Its a privilege. I applaud texas. I shouldnt have to get a permit to do something that the founders of this country decided was a right.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2021, 09:02:55 AM »
It looks like Texas is finally going to get their ducks in a row about handgun carry. About time.

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2021, 09:06:22 AM »
I can remember when a knife with a 6" blade was illegal to carry. A switch blade also. Now you can strap on your sword if ya got one.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 11:22:06 AM »
I just saw on TV last night Austin is becoming the machete capital of Texas. Along with the homeless capital.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 11:28:49 AM »
Their workin on it.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 02:54:01 PM »
The shame is that people have
forgotten that the solution is to
isolate the troublemakers from
the law abiding citizens to where
they can't cause trouble and do
mischief. All these thieves and
murderers and psychopaths and
perverts running around willy nilly,
and nobody can figure why things
have gotten so bad
JMHO- an honest law abiding citizen
should be able to own and use and
carry whatever they can afford to buy
without do gooder interference.
If somebody can't be trusted, why
are we letting them run around freely?
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 04:02:10 PM »
It's funny how the liberals claimed that each state that went Constitutional Carry would turn into the wild west but then those same liberals never admitted they were wrong when it didn't happen.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 04:05:29 PM »
Wouldn't be any problems if they'd
keep people in jail that need to be
there, and plant people that need to
be planted
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2021, 11:34:26 AM »
^^^ what he said ^^^ ;)
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2021, 02:46:47 PM »
We need to plant most of those BLM rioters.

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2021, 03:00:02 PM »
We need to plant most of those BLM rioters.

Tony
They should be planted, but it'll never
happen until things get much worse 
We have bunches of career criminals
on death row here that need the last
walk, and will probably die of old age
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2021, 03:22:43 PM »
Texas does hold on to its death row inmates awhile.
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2021, 03:28:46 PM »
Way longer than I would if I
had any say so about it
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2021, 04:04:53 PM »
Texas does hold on to its death row inmates awhile.
Yeah, but they eventually get down to business.

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2021, 04:22:38 PM »
After we feed'em for a couple a decades.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2021, 04:34:39 PM »
My heavens don't forget about
the college degrees on the
taxpayers dime
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2021, 04:42:31 PM »
And the exercise equipment.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2021, 04:50:07 PM »
Yeah, gotta get buffed out to
keep from being a catcher,
especially if you're young and skinny
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2021, 11:16:29 PM »
should be like the old days. Judge says guilty and sentences someone to death and they take them out the next morning and hang them!!
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Re: Texas set to allow unlicensed handgun carry despite outcry.
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2021, 01:08:05 AM »
Yeah it should be,  but the
deck is stacked and we let
way too much slide for way
too long.
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