Now Hackers Have Hacked Our Beef Supply Chain

[Dee]

They're saying the hackers are in Russia. The question is no longer, will we ever have another honest election. The question is will we have a country?
I watched a short film clip on Tucker Carlson tonight telling 1st graders what their private parts were called, and how they worked. 1st graders.
This country is quickly falling apart as we watch.
First fuel, now food sources, and morally decadent education starting at 6 years old.
Our borders are being overrun, inflation is starting to really roll, and the United States is in deep crap, while our enemies in the world pile on.

[ironglows]

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  Our enemies .  Read.. Commie expansionist countries, are seeing weakness and are getting thirsty for American blood!

[Doublebass73]

They're easily hacking our infrastructure yet we're supposed to believe our voting machines can't be hacked?

[Win94ae]

They're easily hacking our infrastructure yet we're supposed to believe our voting machines can't be hacked?

Exactly!

[Dee]

They're easily hacking our infrastructure yet we're supposed to believe our voting machines can't be hacked?

Now there's words with the bark on'em.

[Matt]

"Now Hackers Have Hacked Our Beef Supply Chain "

Bull$hit.  It is not even plausible that could happen.

Now maybe they infected the Billing systems such as happened with the pipeline  a few weeks ago.

THERE IS ZERO chance that a virus has infected the equipment that is used to process the beef.

PLC controllers are not subject to virus infections or the like. They run a proprietary Operating System that only does what the Ladder Logic Programmer told it to do and nothing else period!

So buy into the BS if you want but they are adjusting for inflation and blaming hackers, also they seem to be selling it real good based on what I have seen thus far.

[Dee]

Well I guess I need to furnish detailed diagrams with my threads to more clearly describe the thread reference.
It never even occurred to me that the machinery could, our would have been attacked.
Having been to National Beef plants in liberal Kansas, and Dodge City Kansas many, many times when hauling boxes beef I'm fully aware that the computer systems involved in the shipping aspect of both processed beef, to the purchase of, and shipping live cattle ((did that to) is all computerized, and that end of the beef business would be the most obvious target.
Which is exactly what they did. Living in the heart of the Texas cattle business it is on the nightly news, and cattle market reports on the morning news.
So no, I didn't say or insinuate that processing machinery was the target. As I said, such silliness never even occurred to me.

Supply "chain" implies all components used in shipping to, and from the processing plants, or if your from here, the "kill plants".

BTW, our local news stations named the "kill plants" in this area that were affected, and last night said that they were expected to be back up and running pretty quickly.

Also, anyone paying attention has already noticed that inflation is already having its effect on groceries, and all other markets.

[Ranger99]

There's beef out the wazzoo to be
had everywhere I've ever been in
this region.
If anything is " compromised " or
" endangered " it's the NYSE and
those types that can so easily
$&%#&*@ up the United States  economy.
I've seen "projections " and "forecasts "
made at board meetings nearly ruin
thriving companies that I've worked
for when nothing was really wrong.
That is, until the panic driven management
made unnecessary changes and
cuts that drove the prosperous company
over the curb and almost in the ditch.

[Matt]

Well I guess I need to furnish detailed diagrams with my threads to more clearly describe the thread reference.

Hmmm, how shall I address this,  Okay, to begin with, the comments I made were to the premise, that what they are saying about this "hack" is the truth.
I can assure you that none of us have the truth about this "event".
As to your condescending comments about diagrams, well let me draw one for you. I own this website, I pay the bills out of my own pocket so that everyone who wants to can come here and have intellectual conversations with like and not minded people.  I did not reload GBO for you or anyone else to stand up on some high horse and talk down to others with a different understanding or belief. You have been around for a very long time now and you damn well know that this has always been the rule and even helped enforce it yourself.

I understand that most folks are walking around pissed off at the world and offended by anything that someone says that doesn't set well with them, I also understand that you have to choose to be pissed off and offended. So not sure why you choose such but from an outsiders perspective it really makes you look like an a$$. I am also going to ask that you attempt to refrain from including such condescension in your posts.   

It never even occurred to me that the machinery could, our would have been attacked.
 

See here again such condescension, and again not required. In your OP you referenced the pipeline and beef plant hacks vaguely, as such I never attempted to concluded what did or did not occur to you. As I said my post was not aimed at you, you just decided to jump in the line of fire and take offense. 

Having been to National Beef plants in liberal Kansas, and Dodge City Kansas many, many times when hauling boxes beef I'm fully aware that the computer systems involved in the shipping aspect of both processed beef, to the purchase of, and shipping live cattle ((did that to) is all computerized, and that end of the beef business would be the most obvious target.
Which is exactly what they did. Living in the heart of the Texas cattle business it is on the nightly news, and cattle market reports on the morning news.

Not going to pretend to know the extent of your knowledge of the beef industries, it is irrelevant to the claims being made about the hack. I can attest to the fact that I ship hundreds of packages a week through a wide array of carries and if every computer in my operation was compromised it would take me less than a day to recover as everything is in the cloud. I am a small operation and I have complete cloud backups of all billing and shipping systems meaning a loss in the shop is simply a matter of replacing the compromised system and in a few minutes we are right back at it.

Now before you go and tell me they are not cloud based... Yes they are, both Amazon and Google handle 99% of all logistics data and traffic in the world to include every carrier that uses a computer. They also handle cloud based infrastructure for every billing software package except sage which Micro$oft handles in house by default though you have the choice to use who you want in most sage subscriptions.
https://theweek.com/articles/732140/future-farming-cloud     Here is a 2017 article some might find interesting

The reason I made the statements about the PLC's is because the only way to truly disrupt the system without inside help is to stop the processing which could not be done with a computer virus or ransomware.  There is not any company big enough to affect the supply chain that doesn't have redundancy and many have parallel redundancy in every system just in case.   

Also, I lived in Texas for several years and still continue to keep in touch with folks in the areas that I spent most of my time which includes, Tyler / Longview, DFW, Houston and College Station. I also still get news updates from those areas so I have seen the Headlines, and I still call Bull$hit.

So no, I didn't say or insinuate that processing machinery was the target. As I said, such silliness never even occurred to me.

Here again you take offense to my post which in no way targeted you personally...

Supply "chain" implies all components used in shipping to, and from the processing plants, or if your from here, the "kill plants".

I believe I covered the shipping BS above well enough.

BTW, our local news stations named the "kill plants" in this area that were affected, and last night said that they were expected to be back up and running pretty quickly.

Yep 24 hours max, should have never even made it to the news, but then they could not use it to drive even more fear into the heart of man.

Also, anyone paying attention has already noticed that inflation is already having its effect on groceries, and all other markets.

Indeed we agree on this for sure.

As to the rest of your OP I completely agree, it is all falling down around us as we all sit back and argue semantics so that our egos feel better even if just a little bit while we continue to choose to sit on our a$$es and continue to watch it all crash down around us and continue to choose to do nothing to try and  stop it.


as a side note: you can also google:
"Cloud Computing Technology: Reducing car-bon footprint in beef supply chain"   Akshit Singh, Nishikant Mishra, Syed Imran Ali,Nagesh Shukla, Ravi Shankar
It is a book from 2014 when the tree huger's started screaming global warming.

[ironglows]

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  I can't speak to the computerized part anywhere near like Matt can..I'm just about computer savvy enough to get on line an post, even then my abilities are touchy..

  I did understand through checking it out, that the oil or fuel pipeline, when it was attacked, didn't actually shut down.  It was said that the problem was that the operators couldn't figure out how much to charge the each of the individual receivers of the petroleum.

  We heard about the oil pipeline and the meat industry were hit hard by ransom ware .  I wonder how many companies have been hit by ransom ware hackers, then simply paid the ransom and went on..just passing the cost to the eventual consumer?

[Goldie]

What amazes me is like said the amount of packages that Amazon deals with. I haven't had a misplaced package other than the inept person driving the UPS or USPS truck in a very long time. But on the other hand I have had countless items shipped by USPS that falls through the cracks and sometimes takes weeks to receive it. Now the USPS wants to raise rates? I remember Trump wanting to have the postal system be run by an outfit and not the government. Wished he could have succeeded with it.

[Dixie-Dude]

Computers can affect payrolls, supply or like said who to ship too.  Does this box of meat go to Kroger or Walmart?  Equipment doesn't have to shut down.  Computerized supply chain information, like customer lists and addresses, etc.  Even boxes going to the meat packing plants have to come from a box factory that could be shut down by a "virus". 

We rely too much on computers.  Every company should always have back up "hard paper copies" of everything.  And paper copies should be printed out as often as possible. 

[Dee]

Well Matt, as to my takin offense, I did not. As to how much I believe of the hack, I'll say I don't know.
As to my condescending remarks, you addressed some things I had not thought of, and know nothing about, and didn't address in my post. It wasn't my being condescending, it was what you seemed to be implying I was talking about. It wasn't.
Was I offended? No, I didn't know how you gleaned that from one sentence.

My original post was pretty much an overview of ALL I saw on the news not just my 1 or 2 references to the beef industry.

As I'm typing this Fox news is discussing whether the beef industry paid the ransom. I'm assuming the computer hackers.
I get all my news from Fox, Newsmax, or OneAmericaNews. I either reject, or accept what I hear.
I'm not a knowledgeable computer guy, nor am I interested in becoming one.

Now taking my thread title, and my overview of current events in my 1st post,  go back and read YOUR response to just my thread title.

Now as for you saying I looked like an ass. It wouldn't be my first time, how bout you?

Now as to your owning this site, I am aware,  and if you want me gone, all you have to say is leave. Its just that easy.

[Goldie]

With my limited computer expertise I have always been under the assumption that anything done by people with computer skills to other businesses to upset the flow of goods is hacking. Maybe i need to learn new terminology of what a hack is. I know it rhymes with quack.

[Matt]

Well Matt, as to my takin offense, I did not. As to how much I believe of the hack, I'll say I don't know.
As to my condescending remarks, you addressed some things I had not thought of, and know nothing about, and didn't address in my post. It wasn't my being condescending, it was what you seemed to be implying I was talking about. It wasn't.
Was I offended? No, I didn't know how you gleaned that from one sentence.

My original post was pretty much an overview of ALL I saw on the news not just my 1 or 2 references to the beef industry.

As I'm typing this Fox news is discussing whether the beef industry paid the ransom. I'm assuming the computer hackers.
I get all my news from Fox, Newsmax, or OneAmericaNews. I either reject, or accept what I hear.

I'm not a knowledgeable computer guy, nor am I interested in becoming one.

Now taking my thread title, and my overview of current events in my 1st post,  go back and read YOUR response to just my thread title.

Now as for you saying I looked like an ass. It wouldn't be my first time, how bout you?

Now as to your owning this site, I am aware,  and if you want me gone, all you have to say is leave. Its just that easy.

1st of all if I wanted you gone you would already be gone, I have no interest in removing you or anyone else  or censoring anyone. I also do not feel that the condescension included in many of the posts made here is required.

As the the looking like an a$$, well I used to introduce myself by saying " Hi, I'm Matt, a Smart A$$ Sarcastic A$$hole" so I am fine with it.

[Matt]

With my limited computer expertise I have always been under the assumption that anything done by people with computer skills to other businesses to upset the flow of goods is hacking. Maybe i need to learn new terminology of what a hack is. I know it rhymes with quack.

 That is a broad brush you paint with there, but yeah pretty much it could be considered anything from "Simple Hacking" all the way up to "Cyber Terrorism" depending on the systems affected and the extent  of the damage done.

[ironglows]

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   I have a strong suspicion that part of our new "Space Force" would be dedicated to just such defense, but the Demonrats are more concerned with stirring up racism where none exists, and cheer leading a mob of city burners.
 
  Now watch our new Space Force.... just wither on the vine...

[Goldie]

Yea with the way it's getting we need specialists that deal with nothing but this nightmare. You can't even put a simple add on anything now without the harassment that comes with it. Only thing I know is you can't pay these crooks off. When done like the pipeline fiasco it just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
 

[Matt]

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   I have a strong suspicion that part of our new "Space Force" would be dedicated to just such defense, but the Demonrats are more concerned with stirring up racism where none exists, and cheer leading a mob of city burners.
 
  Now watch our new Space Force.... just wither on the vine...

Not sure how I feel about that one, why is it we need another branch for the military industrial complex to bleed us from?

This is all a farce, the whole purpose for cloud computing is to prevent the whole "Bad Hackers" from being able to disrupt computer systems. Most all businesses these days use the cloud for all data storage. Be it a commercial service or in house all important data is protected and backed up.

But like Dee said in his OP, folks they are teaching sex ed to 1st graders, if a person does not see the problem with a teacher teaching 1st graders to masturbate.... well I'm just not sure what to say about that person. That is why my children have been home school all along and will continue to be.

[Dee]

Well Matt, your #5 post was both condescending, and demeaning concerning things I had not implied, nor even thought of.

When I responded to your #5 post, I was accused of what you had already been. Condescending


Then you reminded me that you own the site, and you pay the bills, and that I was looking like an ass. (Pssst! I already knew you owned the site, and had said early on that I was grateful for the restoration)

So I asked you if you wanted me to leave, but a simple yes, or no, seems beyond you.

You "once again" took it to the next level and stated that: "if you wanted me gone, I already would be". How cavalier, and not the least bit condescending.

So I will say to Bill, I have enjoyed my 16 years of GBO  with you at the helm.

To you Matt I'll say: "all this muscle flexing over a thread title you took out of context", and that, it's one thing to look like ass, and another to be one.

[Matt]

Well Matt, your #5 post was both condescending, and demeaning concerning things I had not implied, nor even thought of.

When I responded to your #5 post, I was accused of what you had already been. Condescending


Then you reminded me that you own the site, and you pay the bills, and that I was looking like an ass. (Pssst! I already knew you owned the site, and had said early on that I was grateful for the restoration)

So I asked you if you wanted me to leave, but a simple yes, or no, seems beyond you.

You "once again" took it to the next level and stated that: "if you wanted me gone, I already would be". How cavalier, and not the least bit condescending.

So I will say to Bill, I have enjoyed my 16 years of GBO  with you at the helm.

To you Matt I'll say: "all this muscle flexing over a thread title you took out of context", and that, it's one thing to look like ass, and another to be one.

 So let me see if I understand this correctly, when you make a post all the responses to that post are directed at you?

Well lets look at my post, you accuse me of being demeaning and condescending in.

"Now Hackers Have Hacked Our Beef Supply Chain "

The Subject to which I am referring to.

Bull$hit.  It is not even plausible that could happen.

My opinion on said topic

Now maybe they infected the Billing systems such as happened with the pipeline  a few weeks ago.

My opinion on what might have happen

THERE IS ZERO chance that a virus has infected the equipment that is used to process the beef.

The facts just how the real world operates

PLC controllers are not subject to virus infections or the like. They run a proprietary Operating System that only does what the Ladder Logic Programmer told it to do and nothing else period!

The reason why the previous statement is fact 

So buy into the BS if you want but they are adjusting for inflation and blaming hackers, also they seem to be selling it real good based on what I have seen thus far.

Oh my I see it, you thought that the "you" in this line was directed at you, my bad maybe I should have said y'all or folks. But, where again was the demeaning comments? It's  true there is a bit condescension but to those trying to sell the story not the messenger delivering it.  I also went even further to agree with your opinion on the later parts of your post.

But you know I see what it is, your ego has been hurt and now you want to run away, which is fine with me if that is what you choose to do, you will always be welcome when ever you decide to come back.

As to my comment about if I wanted you gone... Was not a flex, I own the servers I can block any IP I want to and to you it will be as if the site does not exist, no fuss no fight just gone. But I can assure you I would have contacted you via PM had I felt such was necessary, again you put yourself in my cross hairs I didn't aim at you.

I don't but know, it seems to me that some of the folks are just so set in their ways that it is an exercise in futility for me to interact on here.  So I will just go back into the back room where I came from and keep making sure all the lights blink as they should so folks can share their knowledge with the rest of the world or at least the rest of GBO.
 
I will leave "YOU" with one thought, sometimes good men must become AS$holes  to remove the Bull$hit.

[Goldie]

You know I kind of feel where Dee is coming from. I read his post from the get go about the hacking and don't understand the response he received from you. I also don't understand the incident with Argent and my 10 day suspension when all I did was say the truth about Bill's pm to me about Argents inability to get along with others. When I tried to make the point I along with Argent who ever he is and  I'm accused of starting the crap. After seeing how this site is run I think I'll scoot out myself. Seems like the ole people on here hold grudges anyway and won't correspond with you when you call out their b.s. correspondence. Life is too short to be in a rut.

[Matt]

You know I kind of feel where Dee is coming from. I read his post from the get go about the hacking and don't understand the response he received from you.

ok, here is my post yet again.

"Now Hackers Have Hacked Our Beef Supply Chain "
Bull$hit.  It is not even plausible that could happen.
Now maybe they infected the Billing systems such as happened with the pipeline  a few weeks ago.
THERE IS ZERO chance that a virus has infected the equipment that is used to process the beef.
PLC controllers are not subject to virus infections or the like. They run a proprietary Operating System that only does what the Ladder Logic Programmer told it to do and nothing else period!
So buy into the BS if you want but they are adjusting for inflation and blaming hackers, also they seem to be selling it real good based on what I have seen thus far.

Please point out which part of this post is a "response" to Dee personally as well as the part that you seem to have chosen to be offended by.

I also don't understand the incident with Argent and my 10 day suspension when all I did was say the truth about Bill's pm to me about Argents inability to get along with others. When I tried to make the point I along with Argent who ever he is and  I'm accused of starting the crap. After seeing how this site is run I think I'll scoot out myself. Seems like the ole people on here hold grudges anyway and won't correspond with you when you call out their b.s. correspondence. Life is too short to be in a rut.

I can't speak as to your suspension as I was not involved or aware of such. As to David, he feels that he has the right to say what ever he wants to whomever he wants and people have to listen, well not here so he is gone and will not be back. He also seemed to hate Dee, and I had several people complain to me that he was sending them pm's about Dee and his cohorts (whomever they are supposed to be) having run of GBO, well clearly that is not the case.

[Graybeard]

Quote from: Goldie on Today at 07:00:38 PM
I also don't understand the incident with Argent and my 10 day suspension when all I did was say the truth about Bill's pm to me about Argents inability to get along with others. When I tried to make the point I along with Argent who ever he is and  I'm accused of starting the crap. After seeing how this site is run I think I'll scoot out myself. Seems like the ole people on here hold grudges anyway and won't correspond with you when you call out their b.s. correspondence. Life is too short to be in a rut.

You and David were trading personal attacks on open forum. I sent you both the same private message so as not to chastise you on open forum and told you both to cease and desist the personal attacks.

Neither of you stopped, David was worse than you in the matter admittedly but when told to stop I expect compliance. I reinstated you after I believe 7 days rather than the full ten because I felt and still feel you can be a valuable member of the site if you chose to be.

David is permanently banned,  you were allowed back early.

Which old timers are ya talking about? I thought most of us here were old farts.

[Mule 11]

Damn. I musta really have been a curmudgeon as I had to wait a full 10 days...

[Matt]

Damn. I musta really have been a curmudgeon as I had to wait a full 10 days...

I am still waiting on GB to ban me.... lol as much as I stayed "grounded" as a kid I would have thought it would of happen by now