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DEATH ROW inmate sues to get PASTOR to lay hands on him while dying.
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https://www.newsmax.com/us/death-row-ramirez-pastor-lawsuit/2021/08/31/id/1034511/

Death Row Inmate Suing to Have Pastor Lay Hands on Him as He Dies
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By Jeffrey Rodack    |   Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:44 PM

Texas death row inmate John Henry Ramirez, convicted for a 2004 stabbing death, is suing in an attempt to have a pastor make physical contact with him during his execution, according to multiple news outlets.

Ramirez is scheduled to be executed by lethal injection on Sept. 8, according to the Law&Crime website.

But Ramirez wants a court to allow his spiritual adviser to lay hands upon him at the time of his death.


His spiritual adviser is Dana Moore, pastor of Second Baptist Church of Corpus Christi. Moore meets regularly with Ramirez in prison. The two men speak through telephone handsets as they press their palms into opposite sides of a Plexiglas window in the prison, the website noted.

Between 1982 and March 2019, Texas chaplains were permitted inside the execution chamber. But the Texas Department of Criminal Justice halted the practice in April 2019.

Ramirez, in his lawsuit, argues that by not approving his request, the state infringes on his free exercise of religion at the moment "when most Christians believe they will either ascend to heaven or descend to hell — in other words, when religious instruction and practice is most needed," Law&Crime reported.

Ramirez’s attorney Seth Kretzer said Texas’ refusal to allow Moore into the chamber is "an unholy Trinity of constitutional violations." Kretzer anticipates the case could be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Eventually," Kretzer said, "the state of Texas will have to explain why the prison doctor must be able touch Ramirez’s arm — to determine when his pulse stops — but Pastor Moore will not be allowed to touch Ramirez’s other arm."

And, according to The New York Times, Ramirez said, in an interview, "It would just be comforting" to have Moore there.

He is asking Moore not just be permitted to observe the fatal drug cocktail as it goes through an IV line into his arm, but to pray out loud, and hold his hand or arm.


In an affidavit, Moore cited the miraculous healing Jesus is recorded to have performed through touching the sick.

"The power of human touch is more than just physical," he said in an interview. "It’s the way God created us."

Ramirez was sentenced for killing Pablo Castro of Corpus Christ in 2004. Ramirez was driving around looking for people to rob when he came upon Castro taking out the trash at a convenience store. Ramirez stabbed him 29 times in a robbery that netted $1.25, the Times said.

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That Baptist preacher needs to take a giant step back.

Ramirez on the other hand, needs to man up, pay for his sins, and take the jab.
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More grandstanding by a useless
waste of space. Needs to be
worm food like tens of thousands
of trash just like him.
I know several people that work
for TDCJ , and I know they have
more than a few backhoes in
good working order
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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More grandstanding by a useless
waste of space. Needs to be
worm food like tens of thousands
of trash just like him.
I know several people that work
for TDCJ , and I know they have
more than a few backhoes in
good working order

RANGER, he should have been DIRT many years ago. NO Preacher, BE DONE with him, walk away. CHARLIE.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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Things haven't changed much since I retired.
When a loser goes to TDC he either finds Jesus, or a gang. If it's a gang, when he gets out, he keeps the gang.

If its Jesus, when he gets out, Jesus somehow gets misplaced.

Go home preacher.

 TDC, plug the puke in.
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  I guess I have a slightly different view.  No, the killer should not by this manner, escape his punishment.

  ...But it comes to me over and over,  "....God is not willing that any should perish." (2 Peter 3:8)

     Does anyone remember Karla Faye tucker?  She seemed genuinely saved, yet she went to her death, and

  it was all between her and God..

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-04-mn-15413-story.html

  I figure if that preacher wants to try, let him have at it..can't hurt anything!  After all..God knows..
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This inmate wants the preacher to "lay hands" on him as he is being executed.  That ain't the way it works. The preacher has been visiting Ramirez for quite some time.
Laying hands on an "executionee" is a ridiculous request. He's a convict. If he's saved, hes saved.

Ramirez says "it would just be comforting to have him there".

Ramirez stabbed his victim TWENTY NINE TIMES!

Light the puke up and be done with it.
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  You are correct in that way, Dee.  He should not escape justice any more than Karla Faye did.

  She was likely saved, since after exhausting her options, she still seemed excited about greeting her Lord & Savior.

  If this guy is saved, he should be in about the same frame of mind.

  However, I guess I am just one of those who would want to give a repentant sinner every opportunity to change

  his/her life and final destination.
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  You are correct in that way, Dee.  He should not escape justice any more than Karla Faye did.

  She was likely saved, since after exhausting her options, she still seemed excited about greeting her Lord & Savior.

  If this guy is saved, he should be in about the same frame of mind.

  However, I guess I am just one of those who would want to give a repentant sinner every opportunity to change

  his/her life and final destination.

What are you talking about?  :o Do you think that preacher holding his hand while he dies is gonna flip the road sign?
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  You are correct in that way, Dee.  He should not escape justice any more than Karla Faye did.

  She was likely saved, since after exhausting her options, she still seemed excited about greeting her Lord & Savior.

  If this guy is saved, he should be in about the same frame of mind.

  However, I guess I am just one of those who would want to give a repentant sinner every opportunity to change

  his/her life and final destination.

What are you talking about?  :o Do you think that preacher holding his hand whilew game by losers.e he dies is gonna flip the road sign?

  That could happen..but I was just thinking..  What can it hurt?

   I can however, see the wisdom of refusing same, if it were to create an unnecessary new game to be played by losers..

   Here, for any younger folks who may wonder who Karla Faye is... is a video of her before her execution.  She seems genuine.  Her testimony starts at about the 3 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVU3g7VGme8
   
  Nope..not saying she should not have been executed..but just that some..maybe few, but still some ..can chanhge.
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  You are correct in that way, Dee.  He should not escape justice any more than Karla Faye did.

  She was likely saved, since after exhausting her options, she still seemed excited about greeting her Lord & Savior.

  If this guy is saved, he should be in about the same frame of mind.

  However, I guess I am just one of those who would want to give a repentant sinner every opportunity to change

  his/her life and final destination.

What are you talking about?  :o Do you think that preacher holding his hand whilew game by losers.e he dies is gonna flip the road sign?

  That could happen..but I was just thinking..  What can it hurt?

   I can however, see the wisdom of refusing same, if it were to create an unnecessary new game to be played by losers..

What do you think could happen? I ain't getting what you're saying.

This guy is a convicted murderer. What purpose do you think this preacher would serve?
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Through Jesus all sins can be forgiven.

I agree, but the preacher can't save him. He needs to have that squared away before the jab.
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  I guess I have a slightly different view.  No, the killer should not by this manner, escape his punishment.

  ...But it comes to me over and over,  "....God is not willing that any should perish." (2 Peter 3:8)

     Does anyone remember Karla Faye tucker?  She seemed genuinely saved, yet she went to her death, and

  it was all between her and God..

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-feb-04-mn-15413-story.html

  I figure if that preacher wants to try, let him have at it..can't hurt anything!  After all..God knows..
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Do you guys not get that he is allegedly already saved, and this preacher is his pastor. He's just wanting an extra perk on execution day.
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Do you guys not get that he is allegedly already saved, and this preacher is his pastor. He's just wanting an extra perk on execution day.

     Sorry Dee, but I didn't see where his salvation was validated.  If in doubt I would not quit trying.

  But hey; to each his own... and each is entitled to his view.

 
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How do you "see" where anyones Salvation is "validated".
Did you not read the link? The pastor has been Ramirezs" "spiritual advisor" for quite some time. Ramirez says he would "feel better" if the pastor was able to "hold his hand" or "touch his arm" while he was getting the juice.
This ain't about the convict getting saved at the last minute.
You've concocted something into this that it is not. Why?
To each his own?, ::)
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Just in case there's any confusion,
the killer to be executed is NOT
a victim
The victim is the person this animal
stabbed multiple times and any loved
ones the murder victim may have had

The criminal may be hoping for some
crazy death chamber resurrection or
whatever his crazed mind is thinking of.

We should never allow the slightest form
of grandstanding by these thugs
that may pull attention away from
the true victim and their plight
Kill em, plant em with no fanfare allowed
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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Just in case there's any confusion,
the killer to be executed is NOT
a victim
The victim is the person this animal
stabbed multiple times and any loved
ones the murder victim may have had

The criminal may be hoping for some
crazy death chamber resurrection or
whatever his crazed mind is thinking of.

We should never allow the slightest form
of grandstanding by these thugs
that may pull attention away from
the true victim and their plight
Kill em, plant em with no fanfare allowed

And that's it in a nutshell. Play "DeGuello" and be done with it.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett