Copy of Win PDX 12

[Old and grumpy]

I went through a  slug faze . Just because I could.  This one worked out well . Copy of Win  PDX 12  slug&buck.  One of the pumpkin blasters.

[Old and grumpy]

Targets up top  are with the buck on top #1  This is with the buck under the slug #2.  The lee 7/8oz slug loaded better than the 1oz. Just as a slug load the 7/8oz was more accurate than the 1oz.   All are 30'  out of a 18" cylinder bore.   This is a different stacking. Used a nitro card between buck and slug to keep the buck from jamming into the slug.  I also did both with a .69 round ball.

[Old and grumpy]

Nobel Sport Italia   Buck & Ball  Buck is behind the ball.

[Dee]

Interesting. I either shoot magnum slugs, or #4 magnum buckshot. I never thought about mixing the two, but I've also never loaded shotgun shells.
Now at my age, the 12 guage is loaded for protection only. #4 buck in a magnum load in a Model 1100 I built for fighting back in my younger days.
My long walk days are over.
But seriously, what is the purpose of mixing the two?

[Old and grumpy]

.69 round ball. 50 yards 18" cylinder bore. Not trying very hard. Longer bore would tighten it up more.

[Old and grumpy]

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[Old and grumpy]

Interesting. I either shoot magnum slugs, or #4 magnum buckshot. I never thought about mixing the two, but I've also never loaded shotgun shells.
Now at my age, the 12 guage is loaded for protection only. #4 buck in a magnum load in a Model 1100 I built for fighting back in my younger days.
My long walk days are over.
But seriously, what is the purpose of mixing the two?

    The PDX is a short range combat round.  Buck&Ball.  If you miss with the ball the buck gives a chance of a hit. Pattern your buck at your longest realistic  self defense range. You will find the pattern is not as wide as you think.  In a fight we wont have time to aim well.  The Irish Brigade loaded  .58  (about 20ga)  B&B to clear the sunken road I think at Gettysburg.  Short range in your face. But then the Irish had BIG BALLS!  --- This is a pic from Winchester of the PDX at 45'.

[Dee]

I used to teach a class called "Shotgun Stress". It was how to fight with a shotgun. Many folks don't realize what a shotgun is capable of, and what a valuable tool they are.
Shotguns will shoot around corners if you know what I mean.
They are really versatile, but many don't understand some of their tendencies.
Example; at 50 yards if you want a center mass hit. Aim at their knees.
I've been retired from L.E. for quite a few years now, but I'm gonna read up on these loads your doing. I think I'd heard of'em way back when, but didn't research them any.

[Old and grumpy]

Wish I could have taken your class.   As long as I am able the 12ga will be my go to.  I did this just because I could.  The results -----

[Dee]

Yeah, I can see what you're talking about.

[Old and grumpy]

Winchester had some good  info on there page.  Check out there 2  410PDX loads.  For a old guy who cant handle "the beast" any more it would turn a under power gun into a  A** Kicker.  Load them in a Taurus.

[Dee]

Luckily my 1100 is gas operated so calms the recoil some. My biggest problem at 71 is both my shoulders, my right elbow, and right bicep have a lot of damage. The forend weight is an issue.
My Sig Tread is my go to if more than room distance is required, and time permits.