Idiot - Open carries AR-15, gets robbed of it, goes to car, shoots thief

[Land_Owner]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/crook-steals-rifle-gets-shot

I am a proponent of concealed carry.  Carrying a cased AR-15 in an open carry state is "asking" to be relieved of it.  That the ID-10-T carrying "victim" had a backup gun IN THE CAR, retrieved it, shot the robber, after a parking lot shootout, with maybe another coming to the aid of the "victim" of theft, WHO EACH LEFT THE SCENE, and the investigation is on for who shot two innocent women bystanders, helped move the "ban guns" narrative to Full Tilt.

Open carry is ASKING to be robbed and, imo, another level of stoopid.  HELPING the gun banners is stoopid personified.

[Dee]

What a mess. I personally never open carry, but I have no problem with folks that do. I don't want the general public to know that I have a gun.

Here in Texas, you can carry any way, and anything you want, including a sword.

In cool weather I wear a coat, or insulated shirt. In warm weather my shirt is worn untucked.

My 686 Smith is in my own style inside the waist band holster and is fairly easily concealed. The weight of a 686 is inconsequential as I wear suspenders. I hate a cinched up belts, and in my old age, Linda says I'm a long tall skinny drink of water.

Anyway Richard. I agree with you, and that AR15 toten guy way askin for trouble.

[Lloyd Smale]

man thats a mess. I dont know what to think of it. Personally i dont open carry. Only exception is going to camp and stopping at a store on the way there thats out in the boondocks that has open carry people in it every day from other camps and people living there. But i do respect the choice of people who do open carry all the time where its legal. I do think open carrying an ar15 is pushing it though. What i dont want is my right to carry making others nervous and arround here a handgun open carried isnt that unusual but nobody carrys an ar15 open carry. It would make me nervous if i walked into a store and some guy had an ar15 slung over his shoulder. Might be stereotyping but my first thought would be this gun is going to do bad things. In my opinion and its just that and worth little. People like that are as much of a black eye on gun rights as the liberals. This comes from a guy that has 14 ar15s and is about as pro gun rights as anyone in the country. To me anyone stupid enough to walk in a store that might have little kids in it with an ar15 just because he feels he has the right is being a bit shelfish. My guess is he will be hung out to dry and i doubt many will support him. At this critical time in the fight for gun rights we dont need people like that.

[Graybeard]

I only open carry for the most part and do not think it's an invitation for it to be taken. To each their own. But I also don't carry an AR and to do so to me is stupid for normal general everyday carry.

I'm fat and have little butt so do need help keeping my pants up. Yeah I should go to suspenders but haven't. Tried them years ago and didn't like them. Putting the gun inside the waist band for me just helps drag the pants down and to tighten them enough for it not to is uncomfortable.

I wear my shirts tucked and always have.

I'm an OWB carry guy and have been doing it that way for about 56 years now.

[mcbammer]

I only open carry for the most part and do not think it's an invitation for it to be taken. To each their own. But I also don't carry an AR and to do so to me is stupid for normal general everyday carry.

I'm fat and have little butt so do need help keeping my pants up. Yeah I should go to suspenders but haven't. Tried them years ago and didn't like them. Putting the gun inside the waist band for me just helps drag the pants down and to tighten them enough for it not to is uncomfortable.

I wear my shirts tucked and always have.

I'm an OWB carry guy and have been doing it that way for about 56 years now.

I got the same problem , I  started wearing Liberty overalls . Cant do those suspenders either .

[Dee]

I've got leather suspenders for outside wear, and wide elastic ones for summer and shirt tail out. Love'em.

[Land_Owner]

No offense guys.  I am a proponent of concealed carry until this state legislates open carry.  I have no incentive to change that mind set.  There is current state law, FS § 790.25(3)(h) and (j), that permits open carry to and from (non-stop) and while fishing, camping, hunting, and range practice, and FS § 790.25(3)(n) while in one's place of business (owner permitting), and at home.  I open carry while hunting my own land.  I've got bears, FL Black bears, but one never knows, AND two-legged deer.

There are ID-10-T YouTube and TicTok wannbe's in this coastal state, mostly bridge, shoreline, jetty, or pier fishing, that test the Public and the law, walking around in parking lots and on streets (to and from) open carrying AR's every chance they get.  The Public calls the police.  The Police respond.  The ID-10-T's take video, are polite to the Police, and "legal".  Some have even been "detained" and a few arrested.  Settlements after arrest have been noteworthy, which I think fuels the other wannabe's. 

NONE OF THAT, peacock strutting stuff, furthers the RKBA.

[ironglow]

  Well..I have no problem with those who open carry, although I don't open carry myself, except long guns for hunting, plinking.  ..'Course, open is verboten in NY.   I would rather not have the perp know who is carrying..

  That being said, I don't carry as a regular habit..since I live in what is considered a low crime area.
  I do carry to regular Sunday morning services, because the devil's disciples seem to seek out country churches.  I also often carry if I am going to the city.
 
    While I am husky, I am not obese..but still have no butt to speak of...so suspenders are very useful, and part of my regular wear..especilly if i am carrying on waist band..

  My wear is much like Dee's ..jacket or coat in winter..tails out shirt in summer.  I usually carry under left arm...but occasionally carry in pouch at waist.

  See style of belt pouch below.. I have them in black & camo.    My Ruger LCP custom, S&W 642 or  my American Arms PPK knockoff .22 will all fit  (snugly)

  There are pen slots on front..with pens in place, it can pass for any tradesman's pouch.

[nw_hunter]

I'll be 79 years old in a few days. My reflexes are a shadow of what they once were. Strength as well. If I was carrying open, and someone younger decided to take it, they would have the advantage. I guess I could keep the gun unloaded, and the concealed one hot, and win that way . Be my luck they would just pistol whip me and take both. I'm telling ya, getting (got old) sucks. And that's all I have to say on the subject of.....of.....of. Nap time!!

[BUGEYE]

I'll be 79 years old in a few days. My reflexes are a shadow of what they once were. Strength as well. If I was carrying open, and someone younger decided to take it, they would have the advantage. I guess I could keep the gun unloaded, and the concealed one hot, and win that way . Be my luck they would just pistol whip me and take both. I'm telling ya, getting (got old) sucks. And that's all I have to say on the subject of.....of.....of. Nap time!!

An 8 year old little girl could whip me.

[BUGEYE]

No offense guys.  I am a proponent of concealed carry until this state legislates open carry.  I have no incentive to change that mind set.  There is current state law, FS § 790.25(3)(h) and (j), that permits open carry to and from (non-stop) and while fishing, camping, hunting, and range practice, and FS § 790.25(3)(n) while in one's place of business (owner permitting), and at home.  I open carry while hunting my own land.  I've got bears, FL Black bears, but one never knows, AND two-legged deer.

There are ID-10-T YouTube and TicTok wannbe's in this coastal state, mostly bridge, shoreline, jetty, or pier fishing, that test the Public and the law, walking around in parking lots and on streets (to and from) open carrying AR's every chance they get.  The Public calls the police.  The Police respond.  The ID-10-T's take video, are polite to the Police, and "legal".  Some have even been "detained" and a few arrested.  Settlements after arrest have been noteworthy, which I think fuels the other wannabe's. 

NONE OF THAT, peacock strutting stuff, furthers the RKBA.

I've watched a few videos of a guy called the armed fisherman, and in most of them the cops were totally ignorant of the law (or chose to ignore it) and gives the guy a really hard time, handcuffing him, searching him, and sometimes arresting him and in doing so violates his 4th amendment rights.
At that time the cops lose their implied immunity by violating his rights and in most cases hand over some cash to avoid a trial in federal court.
And that is as it should be.  We need to exercise our rights or we lose them.  The Florida cops in many cases are falling right in line to be a police state.   On the other hand, some cops, who have a lick of sense, will show up and say we got a call so we have to come and then they wish the guy a good day and leave.
If you are within the law, the cops have no right to detain you, search you, run you for warrants, or any of the other things they enjoy doing.
This country is becoming a place where the rights of the people is being eroded.
Democrats want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, and if they succeed, the rest of your rights will disappear overnight.
Rights are like muscles, use'em or lose'em.

[Graybeard]

For clarification: I am not talking about folks running around with an AR over their shoulder or in their hands. Yes I believe the US Constitution gives them that right but in this day and time to exercise it that way in public is just asking for trouble. I personally would never do that, well maybe not never but the state of this country would have to get a whole lot worse for me to.

Here in Alabama it is perfectly legal to open carry, ya don't even need any kind of permit or anything. I've been doing it since I first turned 21 and that was 56 years ago.

I know many think it an invitation to have it taken away but I don't share that opinion. All cops, at least beat cops, open carry all the time they are on duty. It's almost as rare as hen's teeth to hear of someone trying to take a gun away from a cop. When those rare as hen's teeth times happen it's always a thug who is being arrested fighting back.

Why do you think I'd be more likely to have such happen to me?

Instead what I think is true is that even a bad guy who is about to rob a place I'm in is gonna delay his actions until I clear the place and am gone. He is not gonna wanna tangle with anyone with a gun.

Bad guys for the most part aren't that brave and don't really, really don't want to get shot. That's why the stats show that just the display of a handgun in almost all cases stops any bad guy actions and causes him to leave as fast as possible.

Different view points. I'm not trying to change  your minds, matters not to be how you chose to do things. I chose to open carry, not to prove I have a right to do so, that is established by law here and I've been doing it since the day I turned 21 all those long years ago. Sure never had anyone try to grab it.

Now I have had a few odd acting folks from time to time over the years. Those I keep a close eye on as I do my business. None have ever tried anything and I think they were just weird kinda people who were curious about a fellow with a gun on his hip. At one grocery store this same oddball just stood around the checkout area mostly just looking at folks. I honestly don't think he was all there in the head. Why they let him hang out there I never did figure out.

My open carry is sure not a stunt and isn't to prove I have the right. It is because that style of carry is what fits this fat old man and has been my preferred method for 56 years.

Yes I have some concealed carry holsters and have and do use that method from time to time. I want to switch to my S&W Shield Plus but the only holster I have that truly fits it is an IWB leather one. I don't want to carry that way and my Fobus holsters that are supposed to work with that gun don't.

[ironglow]

   As I said. I have no problem with anybody who prefers to open carry.  When I got my permit (1973) it required open carry....I guess so police would know who was carrying.
   Back then I had a Blackhawk for hunting, that had a 10&1/2 inch barrel. Try concealin that !   no, I hip carried then.
   I was hunting one day, when I stopped by a local diner and was getting some weird stares...that is how I found out...no more open carry..

    My reason for concealed..  Most killers, except in "gun free" zones, will take note of who is armed before they pull out their gun.  If they see somebody open carrying..either he will be first to go, leaving the people with no chance.  Or, sneak that he is, may sneak up behind the open carry, before he draws his gun..
  If he doesn't know who is carrying..he can't do that.  Admittedly, if several are open carrying, that may dissuade the criminal from acting..

[Dee]

   As I said. I have no problem with anybody who prefers to open carry.  When I got my permit (1973) it required open carry....I guess so police would know who was carrying.
   Back then I had a Blackhawk for hunting, that had a 10&1/2 inch barrel. Try concealin that !   no, I hip carried then.
   I was hunting one day, when I stopped by a local diner and was getting some weird stares...that is how I found out...no more open carry..

    My reason for concealed..  Most killers, except in "gun free" zones, will take note of who is armed before they pull out their gun.  If they see somebody open carrying..either he will be first to go, leaving the people with no chance.  Or, sneak that he is, may sneak up behind the open carry, before he draws his gun..
  If he doesn't know who is carrying..he can't do that.  Admittedly, if several are open carrying, that may dissuade the criminal from acting..

People DO NOTICE open carry. If one doesn't use a good quality "retention holster" someone CAN walk up behind you and disarm you.

I have "shuffled" with probably hundreds of "arrestees" over the years, while at the same time protecting (or trying to protect) a very prominently exposed sidearm.

A fellow officer friend of mine lost his sidearm in a scuffle on the side of the road, and was executed with it.

I prefer concealed carry, but have no problem with others carrying open. People, and perks are looking at them, and not me.