A real, gen-u-wine snowstorm.

[oldandslow]

We haven't had one in years. A little dusting here, a little dab there, and that has been it. It started about 10 o'clock this morning has steadily gotten heavier. Not anything close to a blizzard but as the temperature has dropped and the snow thickened it is finally covering things enough to where the roads are slick and visibility down to around 300 yards.  The nice thing is it's supposed to be gone from here sometime tomorrow morning and the warmup begins.

It's been a strange year. We were in exceptional drouth until mid July and by mid August we had received close to our average annual rain fall and then it just quit. A little thundershower would pass across here and there and that was all until now and we have some snow.

No Christmas shopping left to do and no doctors appointments for awhile means I don't have to get out in the cold and wet stuff.

[Dee]

We were supposed to get part of that, but didn't.

[Ranger99]

The weather guessers here keep
saying you will for sure no doubt
yessiree yoo betcha

[Lloyd Smale]

kind of strange. We had about a foot on the ground up until 2 days ago. It turned unseasonably warm and it all melted.

[TrumpWon]

In Michigan, average yearly temperature has increased by two to three degrees Fahrenheit across most of the state.

Wonder why?

[billy_56081]

In Michigan, average yearly temperature has increased by two to three degrees Fahrenheit across most of the state.

Wonder why?

No it hasn't!

[TrumpWon]

Might want to “really” kidnap the governor and get that fixed

https://www.michigan.gov/egle/public/learn/climate

[oldandslow]

The snow is done. It never really froze so it's a wet, soggy mess this morning. The fog they predicted has just arrived but should be gone fairly quickly and the warm up has started. It's already warmer than it was yesterday. Sometime during this we had enough wind to blow several limbs off my one big elm tree. One was about 3 inches thick. I'll get out my little electric chainsaw, cut them up, and haul them to the dump but only after the snow is gone.

[ironglow]

How many feet did you accumulate during the blizzard  ?

[oldandslow]

I have no idea as it was melting all the time it was falling until very early this morning. Maybe a whopping 6 inches, maybe a little less. About  26 miles due west of me is State Road something or the other but generally called the Hagerman cutoff. It climbs almost straight up the caprock which is about 300' high and my wife said she saw where it was closed down last night. I am not surprised as no one runs snow tires and most have no clue how to drive in snow anyway. Just geezers like me remember from when we did get enough snow to shut down travel.  It's been a few years but we had a one day "blizzard" that  was named Goliath by the news media. It snowed all day driven by 65 mph winds. It was estimated to have snowed a whole 12" but since it only packed up in drifts and any smooth surface was almost entirely clean sono one really knows how much it was. I had a drift about 4" feet deep on the south side of my house while the driveway was clean. The city of Hobbs went out after the storm and purchased 8 new 3/4 ton GMC 4 wheel drive trucks equipped with the latest state of the art snow plows. The plows have never been needed.

[ironglow]

  Yes, when the soil and especially blacktop is comparatively warm, the snow often melts nearly as quickly as it
    arrives.

[Ranger99]

. . .  and most have no clue how to drive in snow anyway.. . .

Whoa now  !

Starting to sound like the people across
the way that are from the northeast.
" these tech-suns can not drive in the
win-tur. . "
That from people that total out a car
about every year- year and a half

"Jeeze yooze guys.  . "

[oldandslow]

Whoa yourself. Last time I was almost run over was by a pickup from Texas that just had to pass me even though the road was glazed over and slick as ice. He made it up beside me and went into a slide toward me but managed to straighten up before hitting me. He backed off and then tried it again with the same results. Certainly a slow learner but when we dropped off the cap and the road cleared here he came and soon disappeared from sight driving around 20 mph above the speed limit. Texans and southern New Mexicans are certainly no experts as they get little practice and a bunch of them have no clue or just don't care what can happen when the road is slick. After moving to NM I am convince that Texans have no idea what a speed limit sign is. Nearly all of them are going like the hounds of hell are snapping at their rear bumper and then you find the 2% that drive 1/2 of the posted limit in the passing lane.

[ironglow]

  I expect people from Houston to Brownsville and back up to Laredo and El Paso would have serious  problems
   were they to hit an accumulation of snow..   Even more challenging, would be ice.

  That is not belittling those drivers, because when I drove through the desert of Arizona and New Mexico...I paid
  heed to what the locals said, knowing that trouble could crop up in the deserts.

  One thing that often fakes out the most experienced drivers...is "black ice"..  Often times you won't even know you are  on it, until you sense that your vehicle is starting to skid.

    Black ice most often occurs at higher temperatures..around the freezing point.  It most often shows up on bridges or open, unsheltered areas, where the wind chills it.

   A hint to avoid black ice... watch the taillights  of the vehicle you are following  they will reflect off of black ice.

[Ranger99]

Well O&S what exactly did the
law enforcement officials have to
say when you reported the dangerous
and possibly impaired drivers
that nearly crashed you out?

[oldandslow]

Well, Ranger, I didn't report it as I was far from anyone to report to and there was no wreck. I would have just been told "no incident, no response needed" so why bother. 

[Lloyd Smale]

when i was in high school we made good money during and after storms. We had an air force base a couple miles for home and there was a 30 mile stretch of road between it and the biggest town up here. Wed take dads 4x4 chev and start driving. Everytime we ran across a car in the ditch wed pull them out for 10 bucks. Wed make the trip to that town and turn around and go back and thered be another half a dozen stuck. There were days we made 300 bucks even after we replaced dads gas which was alot of money in 69-70 for a couple high school kids. Mostly all guys from the south that had never seen snow or at least never seen it like we get it. Most of them didnt even know what a snow tire was. Heck if it was the first storm for the year wed be out there 12 hours making money. Chuckled too when i was TAD at great lakes naval center for a couple months recouping. They got what they called a snow storm. About 6 inches of snow and it about shut everything down all the way to and including chicago. 6 inchs up here is just another winter day. Icy roads up here? 80 percent of the people stick it in 4x4 and might slow from 65 to 55. Roads are snow or ice covered for the most part from late dec to late march. Might get a warm streak in there that they thaw for a day or two till the next storm hits.  I always said if nascar had a winter race up here on an icy track id lay money on my mother over jimmy Johnson or dale Earnheart. We had lots of early snow and its about gone right now sadly. Two of my 3 driveways are gravel and the neighbor i blow out has a gravel driveway and i had just got a good layer of packed snow down so my blower isnt sucking up as much gravel as snow. Now ive got to start over. 

[Lloyd Smale]

are you making that up or quoting some left wing global warming website. Ive lived in northern michigan for most of my life and its no warmer or colder or do we get more or less snow then we did when i was in high school. Yup we get some winters worse then others. But that was the way of it even in the 40s and 50s. So tell me that three degrees increae. What were the years that it was first taken and last taken. Now we had more snow and cold last year then the year before and this year winter has started even earlier so i guess i can claim we are heading for an ice age. PLEASE if cars are causing warming, do me a favor and go start yours up and let it idle for a few hours. Id sure love a mild winter this year.

In Michigan, average yearly temperature has increased by two to three degrees Fahrenheit across most of the state.

Wonder why?

[Lloyd Smale]

i went and looked at your blow hole whitmer page. She claims its raised 2 degrees since 1900. thats a 122 years. so lets just say one degree in 60 years. Ill be around at most 20 more years so in that time the temps will rise (if this bs was real) 1/3 of one degree. Oh my God i can throw out my winter coat. Coldest day up here will only be -20 instead of -22 that my grandpa experienced the year he was born. Id like to get you up here preaching that global warming bs when its -20 and stick you outside in jeans and a tshirt and see how global cooling slows down your mouth and the c02 that you give off contributing to this problem you claim is real. You do seem conserned about this. So obviously your doing your part to stop it. Please show us a picture of your electric car? Of the solar array in your back yard. Or is it like i said just your mouth running.

[TrumpWon]

Why a couple of degrees matters.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2865/a-degree-of-concern-why-global-temperatures-matter/

[Lloyd Smale]

LMAO it has to be true. It came right from your far left goverment paid, global warming conspiracy central. Hell even tm7s wacko sites have more credence then those 60s hippys that would lose there job tommarow if they dared put out any honest opinion. Those woodstock tits must be pretty saggy today but i bet that bunch can still twist up a nice dobbie. .

[TrumpWon]

Do you think the far left NASA also faked the moon landing?

[Lloyd Smale]

did i say that? Nasa is a far cry from what it was in the 60s. Those old school nasa people were explorers not government stooges. Pretty easy to see. With a calculator and a rudimentary computer those early nasa scientist put man on the moon. 60 years later with super computers and what have they accomplished? Not a thing but wasting our tax dollars.

[oldandslow]

NASA people back then had learned old math. These today learned new math.   

[phalanx]

NASA people back then had learned old math. These today learned new math.   

No wonder they are having so many failures.

[ironglow]

In many cases, the Weather stations they get their data from, are decades long established sites, and towns have been built up around them, which could easily account for a couple degrees one way or another.

   Again; just another device for the left to claim another bogus "crisis"..

[TrumpWon]

They’re on it.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-raw-truth-on-global-temperature-records/

[Lloyd Smale]

so again if you believe that nonsense are you doing anything yourself to protect your grandchildren or there grandchildren because if not you either dont really believe or dont give a rats ass about them. Which is it? Still waiting for pictures. Pretty easy with your phone. One shot of you standing in from of your electric car and another standing in front of your green energy home.

[ironglow]

They’re on it.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-raw-truth-on-global-temperature-records/

   I suggested that their temp records are not accurate because the present stations have had cities grow around them.
    So, you posted a link to counter my point, but did you read that link?
  The article, apparently endorsed by NASA, says that those facilities STILL NEED to be adjusted !  So evidently everything up to the date of that writing, may still be faulty.

  They mention the crude old wooden bucket days..so how do they 'adjust' for that?  Do they openly admit that due to differing ways of measuring temperatures over the last few centuries, that they cannot have a completely comprehensive and exact picture of our temperature histories ?

   Even then, we have people working at NASA, who are by now, educated by people steeped in the climate change religion.  So, how can they be trusted to be completely non=partisan in their analysis.
   

[TrumpWon]

Cherry picking!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking