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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2004, 05:30:45 AM »
UC nailed it. The thread on HA was getting rediculous. Way off topic and not much other than personal attacks. I think everybody read between the lines with what was going on with Randy, and I'd feel the same exact way. I hope everybody that used to post over there comes back. There has been alot of vast knowledge shared by you guys, and I hope it continues. Life is too short to let a couple bad apples ruin it for everybody. I would like to think that everybody is above all that nonsense. Keep a good thing going guys, I know I have learned alot in the last couple months. I mainly shot traditional in the past, but these inlines are indeed a different animal, and something new to experiment with. I own a White, mainly because I just couldn't pass up a deal. I also own an Omega, a Lyman GPR, a custom flinter longrifle, and a CVA double barrel BP shotgun. Just my .02$

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« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2004, 05:35:55 AM »
Hey Triple7,

     Why would you boycott Hunt America or CVA :?   If Randy has a problem with those sites I believe Randy is big enough and tough enough to handle anything that comes at him over the internet.  I don't think he would ask anyone to boycott another site.  I can understand if he does not want to post over there anymore but that's to bad, he puts out alot of good info and he will be missed :( .
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« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2004, 05:58:14 AM »
:D Finaly some facts with teeth!! That is all I was talking about. Up till that post where Randy, as a supplier to White, stated he was not being paid there really was none. Just innuendo and veiled statements. Now there is some info that is checkable, Black Ice, Bell & Carlson, etc. Not that I will need to I suspect, as stated, Randy normally doesn't name names without checking first.

Randy, I hope White takes care of you and straightens out their financial mess... it would be a shame for an American company using American made components and materials to go under.
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« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2004, 06:19:03 AM »
Man, Woods, did some one get his feelings hurt? I thought we were having a discussion and "agreed to disagree". I have been out of the loop for a while, didn't know what was going on at HA. I also hope you were not refering to me with that blanket statement about DWB's. That was a little broad... to condemn all, for the actions of a few... well, you know.

I supected that Randy was refering to non-payment to himself by White, but he never stated that until recently. So until actual facts were stated it was all for naught, imho. That is all my statements refer to, review them if you will, in their entirety and not parsed or out of context.

I will state again... I like my White, but am not enamored with White the company right now. The same goes for my Knight, but for different reasons. If that makes me a White apologist in your opinion... nothing I can do about that.
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« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2004, 07:24:36 AM »
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"Hey Triple7,

Why would you boycott Hunt America or CVA?"


golfnut

I never said I would for sure. I would consider it if Randy explained it to me via email. I am a people crusader Golfnut... like to help a worthy cause. If White/HA/CVA were to ever think that they can do anything they want (unfair) within their forums & get away with it like a blink of the eye, they are seriously mistaken.

This is America ... where forces make a statement -- make a difference.  We can't allow unjust doings & turn the other cheek. Our voice should mean something & in large numbers should result in something positive  being gained from something negative.

Had you been wearing Randy's shoes lately, how would you react? That's what it's all about Golfnut... they act -- we react!
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« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2004, 11:08:37 AM »
My apoligies to any white owners not involved in this flap. My comments were not aimed at UC, Flatland, or Bjgolfnut or anyone else that owns a white. Its the ones who feel the need to attack any statements made however truthful they are that they don't want posted. There are two in particular that comes to mind, I guess combined with several more who just like to stir the pot when ever they get the chance, and it spoiled my enjoyment of the forum.

I know Randy can handle and take care of himself and no one is any better at the game of debate. My decision to pretty much leave HA has been a while coming and involves a lot more than just the ML'er forum. They have lost quite a few members lately and I'm afraid I'm just one of the latest to go for the same reasons. I was only visiting a couple forums anymore and now those hold little appeal.




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Seems to me the so-called "dirty White boys" you are referring to would more appropriately be narrowed to two people. One is a guy that has shown aberrent behavior from his first posts at the CVA forums - and after becoming the overly proud and enthusiast owner of a White rifle seems to think he is a company representative. The other is also a new White owner but seems to simply have a dislike of Randy. Disliking Randy isn't that uncommon for folks on these forums but the man seems to hold his own.  

And then we have a couple of folks that think it's their duty to flood the forums they visit with posts of little worth, get involved or even take the lead in the bickering that always occurs, and actually have little of substance to add on any subject. They appoint themselves to whatever imaginary position might delight their whimsy, then convince themselves of the worthiness of that bogus position. They are RIGHTEOUS!!

And some just have NO sense of humor.

I'm a White owner, a "dirty White boy" if you will, but not to the point of insanity (I hope).




You put it into words much better than I UC, I agree and perhaps I'm being hard on Don although he seldom deletes anything so I couldn't help but expect the deletion had multiple motivations. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

Angst which I took the liberty of misspelling simply means extreme anxiety and the term was used as White angst or White extreme anxiety over any unflattering posts. Seems to display itself with the above mentioned posters a bit and reminds me of a Mel Brooks movie.

No Flatland I'm neither coping with hurt feelings or referring to you in my post, I wish others could debate without turning to name calling and third grade behavior to make their points. Once again I painted with too broad of a brush and offended posters I had no intention of offending including you who I have a good deal of respect for, and enjoy talking with.

Sorry I come across so blunt sometimes, I tend to say what others often think but keep to themselves.Could be the reason nobody ever accuses me of being tactful  :?  Guess I just wore out with the hate PM's and snide and sometimes outright attacks that were hammering some posters that have contributed heavily to the ML'ing forums. I know they don't need defending but it made me angry none the less.

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« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2004, 11:09:53 AM »
Quote from: Underclocked

ps:  what the heck is an "anguist"?


A "black anguist" is a cow easily incensed by heavy conicals as opposed to a holstein, which is a just a leaky beer mug.

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« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2004, 11:42:47 AM »
Hey 777,
     Just finished reading your post and I felt like I should stand up, face the flag and salute.  You sound like a PATRIOT which I consider myself.  I would hope you would not leave the HA site or any other site where you participate.   We  all have are own opinion and should be allowed to state them as long as we don't overstep the rules and regulations governing the forum.  
     As to wearing Randy's shoes, I wear 10 wide.  I'm afriad no one owes my any money at this time, wish someone did.  Hopefully Randy will get paid by who ever owes him money soon and that might end this discussion once and for all.  Let's all chill out and have a PETE's WICKED ALE. :lol:
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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2004, 11:49:42 AM »
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Let's all chill out and have a PETE's WICKED ALE.


But not in a holstein  :o

     woods
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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2004, 11:52:48 AM »
OH!!!  IC seyz UC, it'z dem tangs dat Hardee's is sellin'.   :-)
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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2004, 12:11:23 PM »
Golfnut

Judging by the outdoor season, I think it's more appropriate we buy some Pete's Winter Brew -- then all raise our glasses & clang them together to finally bury this thread once & for all-eternity.
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2004, 01:07:26 PM »
Sorry, Woodsy, I guess I was feeling "deja vu all over again". I have not been on the forums quite as often as I was before and during the season. Was trying to actually do some work and catch up with things at home. So, I didn't know about the big flap at HA.

I am sorry to see some folks leaving. When I started with ML'ing Realtree and HA were the 2 best spots to get info. With bluelk's passing (I really miss his leadership) there has been no one who has the stature, knowledge, and respect to step into his shoes. Realtree is not what it was either, that left HA. I really enjoy it and I hope to continue to do so.

As for White the company... 'nuff said from my end.
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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2004, 03:59:45 PM »
Well said all.  I think a lot has been accomplished in this thread.  Now as to the ale...  I'm a few mugs behind you guys.. :)

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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2004, 03:21:41 AM »
To answer the e-mails all at once:

No, White has still not paid their old bills, nor communicated further. In Illinois, it is often called stealing.

Yes, staff of White Rifles, LLC, has lied repeatedly.

No, I still think that the White 98 is a fine gun-- if made properly.

This has nothing to do with White fans, White shooters, White owners at all-- just the pathetic company that currently sells(?) White Rifles. Several White owners on this board have been forced to return defectively assembled rifles for a refund in times past.

Personally, I find it tragic that White Rifles, LLC, cannot do justice to the elegant designs of Doc White. They do not deserve to be in charge of such well-thought out muzzleloaders.

For those who are interested in White Rifles, the best I can suggest is to deal directly with Doc White himself-- it is the only way I know to get things at a solid, reliable quality level, with no nonsense. http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com

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« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2004, 12:51:42 PM »
Randy, not starting anything but where did you advertise on white .com I didn't see it? I have been on there site a dozen time's looking at the gun's.what do you think about the m97?
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« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2004, 01:53:11 PM »
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where did you advertise on white .com I didn't see it? I have been on there site a dozen time's looking at the gun's.what do you think about the m97?


I'm not sure what your question really is? I've never advertised there.

The White Hunter Model 97 is a very well proven inline, as is the Model 98.

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« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2004, 01:10:07 PM »
Randy ,
    what I wanted to know was  if you advertised your video's on the white web site or did you give them your video's to sell?I was on there site a few time's and didn't see anything about them. your video's
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« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2004, 01:54:12 PM »
Hey,

     First page of White Rifle site.  Just click on Video and you will see Randy's Tape.  Let's now get back to the Pete's Wicked Ale and end this once and for all. :?
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« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2004, 02:02:22 PM »
sorry ,bigolfnut you go drink your ale I don't drink. if you are bothered by this thread why read it? I was just asking Randy a question. I must have been on the wrong site cause I didn't see anything there. :D
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« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2004, 05:00:37 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2004, 07:35:15 AM »
thanks Busta'yote
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« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2004, 07:39:14 AM »
Thank's busta'yote I was on DocWhite's site that is why I didn't see it. :grin:
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« Reply #82 on: February 12, 2004, 12:39:45 PM »
Apparently, Mr. Steve Brown and Mike Wills of White Rifles, LLC, are regular readers and fans of the Graybeard Outdoors forum.

I told you time and time again that Steve would pay you . . .
Mike Wills, VP Sales & Marketing
WHITE RIFLES LLC
Eastern Sales Office:
P.O. Box 1731, Troy, MI 48099-1731 USA
Phone/Fax (248) 689-9116
Cell (248) 709-1370

Thanks for the complaint, Mike. Well-- White has not paid their old debt, so what does that make you? Well, fellows, if there is some "setting the record straight" that you feel needs to be done-- you are certainly invited to do so. It might give your dealers and customers (and suppliers!) more confidence in your ability to keep your word, if you were able to demonstrate any ability to do so.

Whether you might like it or not, the best option I can offer is as before:

For those who are interested in White Rifles, the best I can suggest is to deal directly with Doc White himself-- it is the only way I know to get things at a solid, reliable quality level, with no nonsense.

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com

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« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2004, 05:29:33 AM »
Addition:
Apparently, White Rifles, LLC, has really fallen on hard times. They have demonstrated a dramatic inability to pay their bills throughout the industry, including videos "purchased" from this very writer.

The Bo Clerke .451 barreled White 98 model that I tested (and performed so very well) is no longer available, and no .451 caliber White 98 models have been available for over seven months. The reasons for this are beyond the scope of this posting, but I've spoken with Bo Clerke directly-- and he is busier than ever, shipping over 1000 of his renowned barrels per month from his 10,000 square foot operation. There may or may not be substitute 410 SS barreled versions available sometime this year; but how well they might perform is pure speculation. It would be negligent of me if I did not point up that the gun, as was tested, is just not available-- and will not be. It is sad, but let the buyer beware.