loading spitzers for the 30/30 handi

[mag41vance]

I'm getting ready to load some 125gr Sierra Spitzers for my NEF single shot 30/30 rifle.
I was wondering if anyone here might have any experience with that round.
I am interested with Accuracy not speed. Or both if fast is accurate.
Any suggestions?
                     RV

[jeff223]

RV,i am up to the same thing.when i got that 44magx308 wildcat and the other stuff i also got a new box of the same bullets you are going to use.i plan on using BLC-2 powder and i and going to load a reduced load.i think about 2 gr down from max.if these dont shoot i am going to get a box of Hornady sst 150gr for my 30-30.i am going to put a 6-18 power scope on this rifle just to see how it shoots.this barrel once shot 1.5in groups at 100yds with factory ammo.the 30-30 was my first handi rifle.i havnt shot it in a long time.let us know how you make out and i will do the same.

[mag41vance]

this barrel once shot 1.5in groups at 100yds

 My Sb2 shot 1-1/2" @ 100 with Remington 150gr spCor-lock too. I'm hoping to work out a real accurate load.
 When seeking the depth to seat the bullet, the lands never made contact, so this short sierra spitzer round has an OAL of 2-3/4". I was, spooked to try an leave it out to the lands as only 1/8" would be in the shell. The only powder I have to try is IMR4064 for now. 31.5 grns is my starting load, with cci  large rifle primers. I 'll load five and test them saturday.
                                      RV

[jeff223]

one thing nice about loading for a singleshot rifle is you can seat your bullet a long ways out.i do for my 223 and my 270.just enough to hold the bullet is all you need.try to seat just short of the lands if you can
good luck RV

[Paul5388]

RV,

I haven't been loading 30-30, but I have been loading spitzers in a .357 Mag.  After I figuered out my .223 Handi synthetic didn't like bullets loaded any longer than factory loads, I just started using the cannelure that is on the bullet for seating depth.  Win white box .223 Varminters would shoot 1" groups at 100 yds, but those long reloads wouldn't come close to that.

BTW, the .357 with 200 gr Hornady spitzers will shoot 1 1/4" groups at 100 yards.  When I finally get the forearm tension settled, it will probably do better than that.

[Funhunter]

I'm getting ready to load some 125gr Sierra Spitzers for my NEF single shot 30/30 rifle.  
I was wondering if anyone here might have any experience with that round.
I am interested with Accuracy not speed. Or both if fast is accurate.
Any suggestions?
                     RV

 
My grandson shoots 125 gr. Remington spitzers in his .30-30 Handi. We have played with a 24 X slave scope and got some 5/8 " groups.  Good enough for varmint hinting, but shoots more paper than anything else.  
 
This makes a nice mild, good shooting Handi Rifle to get out with your family and enjoy a range day.

[marv]

R.V. Iuse 125Sierra spitsers in my 308 [not H^R] with great success
bout 1/2 in ch group, vol of 3000 /sec. I think it is a very good bullet
going to try  in NEF 30-30 in the near future. Let us know how they do in your 30-30. Marv.

[mag41vance]

I have tried some 125 sierra spitzers, and 150 gr bulk FMJ spitzers. The 125's with 33.3 grns 4064, are working but  not very well, 1-1/4" at 50.
 The 150 fmj put 5 rounds into a 1" cluster. I loaded the 150 with 34.4c  grns of IMR 4064, which was hotter than every books recomends  except a TC load data that gave the recipe for IMR 4064.
 Currently, IMR 4064 is the only rifle powder I have to test. I'll keep testing as the powder fairy grants me more of a supply. I'm planning on trying the 4227 @ 20gr in the 125 spitzters as a reduced load since it is listed in one data book.
 The wind could have been affecting the 125's I'll try to wait for a calm day.

 RV

[jeff223]

RV,my lee reloading manual has a start load of 33.8gr of IMR 4064 up to a max load of 37.5gr of the same powder with a 150gr jacketed bullet.2350fps at max.it doesnt have any data for the IMR 4064 powder useing a 125gr bullet.

i do have a "Complete Reloading Manual for the 30-30 Winchester"
this shows data for a 125 or 130 gr bullet
start load of 35gr of IMR 4064 powder up to a max load of 37gr of IMR 4064.fps of the max load is 2460

its funny how the load data is different from manual to manual.lee data seens to be hotter in alot of cases.BE CAREFULL when working up to max RV.one thing about the 30-30 is the pressures are low compaired to some of the others.

i will let you know how i come out with my 30-30 loads

[James B]

The 125 grain Nosler Ballistic tips work very well in the contender and should work equally well in the NEF. One should be able to get 2500 fps from this combo. Good luck.

[mag41vance]

its funny how the load data is different from manual to manual.lee data seens to be hotter in alot of cases.BE CAREFULL when working up to max RV.one thing about the 30-30 is the pressures are low compaired to some of the others.

i will let you know how i come out with my 30-30 loads

 Boy are you correct about the data being different. I loaded 8 rounds of 125 gr spitzers over 20 gr of H4227 for testing. Then just for curiosity, I sent a question to Hodgdon help about using H4227 for 30/30 for the 125 spitzers, and this was the reply I got.
  " Use a maximum of 15 grains.  You will get very low velocity and relatively high pressures.  I would recommend that you purchase a pound of rifle powder.
Thanks,
Phil Hodgdon"

  Well I guess I'll be pulling those bullets. :oops:
                        RV

[jeff223]

RV,never go under the listed starting load.the pressure goes up like the man said.see if your rifle likes the starting load.if your rifle likes the starting load stay there if you want.if your rifle doesnt shoot good there work your way up with a 1/2gr increase at a time.some rifles shoot the best with a max load.you never know where the rifle will shoot good until you try the different loads.if you stay within the start load and the max load data listed for the different powders you should be safe anywhere in that range working up loads for the 30-30.the 30-30 works at lower pressures compaired to some of the others.look your primers over good when you get near the max.watch for cratering of the primers