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Offline ironglow

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2023, 04:12:43 AM »
  The old KGB operatives are working in the Ukraine today.  They learned their skills during the socialist years in Russia..and practice it yet today,
   after all, Putin was a KGB operative..

  Surely, everyone has heard of the gulags in Siberia and the Lubyanka prison in Moscow....

  They are practicing the same skills they learned under their Socialist leaders..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE_45TrZqU8
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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2023, 12:26:48 PM »
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So then you challenge me... " How prevalent is that policy? How about a few examples? Did that happen in the Soviet Union (No). Did it happen in China (no)?  Did it happen in Cuba (no)? Did it happen in VietNam, in Laos, in North Korea? (no)"

   So, do you not think those countries are Communist run?  Admittedly, some are more severe than others..but they all are suffering under
   Communism !

  Despite their denials...Socialiam is a foundation for Fascism..  Remember.."The left regularly accuses others of what they are doing themselves."

  It was the root and origin of Nazism... Are you not aware of what NAZI stands for?  It is an acronym for Nationalsozialist
   anglicized as NATIONAL SOCIALIST !  Early on it was referred to as NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKER'S PARTY ... or NSDAP..
IG; You missed the point. I was commenting on the fact that you say things that, at the best, are exaggerations....extroplations of things that might happen in another place and time but which have  not happened here. You write about socialist countries and their behavior as if there are a lot of them.
There are not. In fact, as time goes by, there are increasingly fewer.
About NAZIs...despite the presence of Socialist in the name, NAZIs were rabidly anti socialist and anti marxist.

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Re: This happened on Dec 2, 1954...
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2023, 02:05:57 PM »
  From DG;
  " G; You missed the point. I was commenting on the fact that you say things that, at the best, are exaggerations....extroplations of things that might happen in another place and time but which have  not happened here. You write about socialist countries and their behavior as if there are a lot of them.
There are not. In fact, as time goes by, there are increasingly fewer.
About NAZIs...despite the presence of Socialist in the name, NAZIs were rabidly anti socialist and anti marxist."


   First off, I want to thank you that you are willing to discuss point-for-point, conceerning issues. That is heartening..  Yes, the things I outlined, have
   not happened here...yet .
  But by observing socialism for many years and reading what I consider reliable historians..many who EXPERIENCED the subject of their writing
    (e.g. Solschenizen)... and reading what leaders of such ideaologies have said themselves. ( Marx, Engel, hitler, Mao, Alinsky etc.)

      Our western (US) freedom has been determined around our Constitution.  Perhaps you c an say we Americans have been politically spoiled
  until now..anchored by the Constitution, and our unique fporm of government.

  Yes, the Nazis were anti Soviet (socialist).. Hitler and Stalin,both behaving like a couple girls at their junior prom..where both show up wearing
  the same dress or hair-do.
   Of course, thiir relationship is far more dangerous, being as they controlled nations and armies.

     Socialism, Communism and Nazism share so many features, that they are almost like "two peas in a pod", so to speak.

     All 3 cater to groups as compared to individuals, all 3 seek control of the means of production, and all 3 deal regularly in serious propaganda.

  Nazism, Marxism and today's woke 'Socialists' each have one or more scape goat groups.. 

   Nazis, hated the Jews and socialists,

   Marxists..hate capitalists, Christians and Jews,

  Woke Socialists hate capitalists, conservatives, Christians, and the nuclear family.

    There seem to be some popular (although not universal) distinctions among the proponents of the new,

   woke Socialism..       A)An easy life even though not working.

                                  B) A hatred of the wealthy, whether the welthy earned it or not.

                                 C) A world view that prompts them to render fealtyu to government

                                  D) for many, a depraved life style.. which may be why they hate God.

                                  E) No sense of patriotism or loyalty to anything..other than a certain political stance.

        When a conservative meets a leftist, he considers him a political opponent, and normally he tries to discuss differences, perhaps even
        finding common ground on some things.


       When a leftist encounters a conservative, right away the coonservative is the "enemy", and there is no point in discussing anything..because
      all conservatives are "racist" and a "white supremacist"...so nothing he has to say is of any value.

      Socialism..controls production, controls speech and does not recognize the individual.

      Nazism..  all the above, plus stricter control over industry and the people

  Communism,.. all the above two, plus OWNERSHIP of industry and agriculture..and like Nazism has death camps, plus gulags.

    These people are by nature "control freaks' and grasp for power..even after installed..keep repressing the people more nad more, so they can gain
        COMPLETE control of their "subjects" lives..

  People who accept Socialism, must needs to surrender many their choices to government..and control freaks will take all ythe power they can seize onto.
 
    "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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