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Offline papellet

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« on: July 15, 2004, 03:16:12 PM »
Has anyone tried these bullets. Just picked up my Lyman GPR and wanted to try these bullets as well as RB. The package says 1/66 twist. They are 240 grain and prelubed.

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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2004, 09:04:04 AM »
:D Sorry my friend but I personally know very little of this type of projectile.  I am sure that someone on this site may very well have the information that you are seeking.  Might have to give it a little time though.  Stay safe,King
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2004, 01:46:33 PM »
How bout given them a try and letting us know

Hope they work well

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2004, 09:02:15 PM »
OK I'll try,,papellet,,we need a bit more info ta help,,,
 If you have a gpr,,well that's made for ball,,it's a slow twist, aka:gpr.
 I have never heard of a Hornady PA "conical" either,,your rifle must be a .50? right? cause if it's bigger than a ball, than a short conical would be about right at .240grns,,does it have grooved rings? knurled? Skirtrted?
 What practice have you had? what do you shoot now? and/or what do you expect from the firearm? Minute of deer or paper punchin? Loose bp or pyrocrap pellets? What do ya have ta hand? And what can ya get?
 what's a PA conical?
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2004, 01:07:13 AM »
I would just work with the round balls. I use a .50 cal Lyman Deerstalker  , and I use balls 90 % of the time. I have taken huge whitetails with the ball, and most dropped on the spot.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 07:16:14 AM »
PA Conical is made by Hornady. It is a Cold Swaged
lead projectile and the ones I have seen have
a hollow point. I was under the impression that they
were to be used in a plastic SABOT though.
Modern forum may be able to offer better help for you
on that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 03:16:09 PM »
The box says for 1/66 twist, thats why I thought maybe they would be good for the GPR. These are prelubed, solid point. I will probably shoot mostly round balls but if these performed well, might try them.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2004, 01:10:10 PM »
ok I did a "goog" search for Horandy and found the PA conical is only made for the .50 cal.. I seen the photo of the grooved ring, round nose thing.
 My take on it,,well, they might work good,,the extra fourty grains ain't bad for a slow twist,,true accuracy for these bullets will be a lube,barrel condition issue,,a shoot all day feller,,and a shoot and swab feller are going to have MAJOR changes in accuracy,true bp and faux bp and the size of the charge your using are going to have a large affect on the two abouve variables,.That's why I asked what, how, and why?,,,
 If you don't document to yourself, in your experiment with these projectiles the what and how,,you'll never know how and what happened,,nor can anybody know what you did with'm asides shoot'm.

 I'd use my same favored charge for ball, to try these bullets, and then I'd pay close attention to what happens to the bore with their "pre-lube"..
 good luck to ya,,it's just easier to help with more info...
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2004, 05:43:00 PM »
Here is my "history" with the PA conicals.
 
My first frontstuffer was a T/C White Mountain Carbine with either a 1 in 32 or 1 in 38 twist, I don't remember for sure.  Either way, it's a very fast twist designed for conicals and sabots.  The barrel is only 21", which is pretty short!  It will drive tacks with the T/C Maxiballs and Maxihunters.  However, not being rich, (The Maxi's are pricey), I somehow stumbled onto the Hornady PA Conicals.  They sell around $7.00 for a box of 50, which is very reasonable.
 
My first year of muzzleloader deer hunting, I had an unlucky doe stand almost broadside to me, quartering only slightly away, about 60 or 65 yards off.  I nailed her in the front shoulder and it went through the far side leg bone on the way out and kept going.  This with only 75 grains of Goex 2F.  Complete penetration, with an awesome hole on the way out.  Stevie Wonder, Ronnie Milsapp, and the beloved, late Ray Charles could have followed that blood trail for the 60 or 70 yard dash that she made!
 
My second rifle was a T/C New Englander, with  a 1 in 48 twist.  It also shoots the PA Conicals very well.  I haven't worked with it as much though.
 
I don't know if you've ever seen one of these PA conicals yet?  If you haven't, I think there is a picture of them on the Hornady website.  They are a very short, (in length) conical.  Maybe that's why they are supposed to work in a slow twist?
 
They weigh in at 240 grains for the 50 caliber, which is a little more than a roundball.  For the one and only deer that I shot with one of these conicals, the performance was amazing.  
 
The only weakness in the design is that I think that the "skirt" of the conical is thin enough that it seems to be a little fragile if driven too fast.  If I shoot them above 80 grains of Goex 2F, the accuracy falls off.  My theory is that the skirt deforms.  
 
Again, the performance with 75 grains Goex 2F was awesome,... it's all you'd need for Whitetail Deer.
 
Also, remember that my twists, especially the White Mountain Carbine are way faster than yours, so a 1 in 66 may not be spinning as fast and the centrifugal force may not be so strong and the skirt may not deform...  I don't know.
 
I will only have one muzzleloader myself this coming season.  I'm gonna give my White Mountain to a young fellow and I'm gonna loan out my New Englander to a beginner.  All I'll have will be my Early Lancaster with a.... you guessed it, roundball twist barrel!  It's a Green Mountain 50 caliber, and I think they make them 1 in 70.
 
I read on the Hornady website the other day that the PA Conical is actually designed for a 1:66 twist barrel... I honestly hadn't noticed that interesting fact before.  I just used them because they were cheap and they shot accurately for me.
 
Anyway, I'll probably just shoot patched roundball in my Early Lancaster this year, but if you can get a hold of a box PA Conicals, maybe you can work with them and let the rest of us know what you learn about them.
 
Oh, one other interesting thing that I think I've noticed is that with PA and other conicals, the first shot of the day  with a clean barrel seems to impact a couple of inches higher than the later shots from a fouled barrel.  If you do end up using PA or other conicals for hunting, pay attention to this phenomenon.    Maybe it's just in my rifles, but be sure to keep your eye out for this if it does happen for you too.
 
 
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