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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2024, 12:48:21 PM »
Nicely said.

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2024, 01:11:02 PM »
Nicely said.
  Thank you, but on an end note, what Merriam Webster says about atheism.

  atheism
noun
athe·​ism ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm
Synonyms of atheism
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a
: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b
: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
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archaic : godlessness especially in conduct : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS


  Often we hold differing ideas on word meaning, which can lead to misunderstanding.
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2024, 01:23:03 PM »
Satan and Karl Marx believe in God, butt, they hate him...

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2024, 04:07:35 AM »
Satan and Karl Marx believe in God, butt, they hate him...

   "You believe there is one God. You do well.  Even the demons believe...and tremble.."  (James 2:19)
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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2024, 05:47:53 PM »
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The European Wars of Religion (16th, 17th, 18th cent.) were much more about politics, land, and power than about doctrinal differences.
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Wrong, very wrong, they were because of theological and doctrine differences.

The Oldcastle Revolt (1414) in England(sometimes considered to have "foreshadowed the wars of religion.

Oldcastle's religious beliefs were considerably influenced by Lollard cleric William Swynderby, who preached in Almeley during his youth. Lollardy was a politico-religious movement initiated by prominent theologian John Wycliffe in the 1370s during his service in the University of Oxford. Lollard beliefs were outlined in the 1395 The Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards, which dealt with their opposition to capital punishment, rejection of clerical celibacy, and belief that members of the clergy should be tried by the civil courts. The Conclusions also rejected Christian pilgrimages and Christian art inside the churches, which were alleged to take away from focus on God during religious worship. Also denounced in the Conclusions were war, violence, and abortion.[3][4]

Increasingly radicalised in the years that followed, Oldcastle wrote letters to Hussite leaders Wok of Waldstein and Wladislas of Zwierzeticz, congratulating them on their opposition to the mainstream clergy.

The Hussite Wars,


Starting around 1402, priest and scholar Jan Hus denounced what he judged as the corruption of the church and the papacy, and he promoted some of the reformist ideas of English theologian John Wycliffe. His preaching was widely heeded in Bohemia, and provoked suppression by the church, which had declared many of Wycliffe's ideas heretical. In 1411, in the course of the Western Schism, "Antipope" John XXIII proclaimed a "crusade" against King Ladislaus of Naples, the protector of rival Pope Gregory XII. To raise money for this, he proclaimed indulgences in Bohemia. Hus bitterly denounced this and explicitly quoted Wycliffe against it, provoking further complaints of heresy but winning much support in Bohemia.

The unrest began after pre-Protestant Christian reformer Jan Hus was executed by the Catholic Church in 1415 for heresy.

The Thirty Years War

The leading cause was that Emperor Ferdinand forced Catholicism throughout the region, which made Protestants fear losing their rights to worship. The war resolved this issue through the Peace of Westphalia and ensured territorial recognition and peace throughout Europe.
The Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) was the last major European conflict informed by religious divisions and one of the most devastating in European history resulting in a death toll of approximately 8 million.

Hear is a list of all the religious wars in Europe; all caused by doctrine differences, no different from the Crusades.
It showed what happened when leaders that were supposed to devote their live to God, devote their lives to their own whims, although doctrinal differenecs started the whole ball rolling, not greed or wanting power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

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I do not know how you were raised or where, but when I was young, hatred between Lutheran and Roman Catholics was the only prejudice I grew up with.
There was not racial hatred for Black persons.

Families were separated because a Lutheran married a Catholic; the husban and wife were ostracized from their families.
When I heard adults speak of such marriages, they almost spit when the spoke , such was loathing for the other church.



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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2024, 11:53:04 PM »
Bob: Thank you for that extensive and informative research. I was wrong. My explanation, compared to yours, was too simplistic.

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Re: Anti-Catholicism
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2024, 04:22:03 AM »
Basically, you are trying to suggest that the intra-Christian wars were uniquely devastating.  Although they should not have happened, the deaths form such medieval wars was only peanuts, compared to the deaths suffered under Facist and communist regimes during the 20th century.
..Hundreds of millions...

  In fact, The 20th century is the deadliest century in history...more people killed in wars during that century, than any century in history.

   https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/feb/23/artsandhumanities.highereducation#:~:text=The%2020th%20century%20was%20the,the%20world's%20population%20in%

   ...And don't forget, many of the deaths under Communism and Fascism were not war deaths, but persecution deaths.

  There were no significant intra-Christian wars in the 20th century..if you can think of one have at it !
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