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Offline DDZ

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Manual safety or no safety
« on: February 01, 2024, 02:25:37 PM »
Just wondering what most of you prefer on a pistol. A manual safety or no safety?  I used to think I absolutly needed a safety on my hand guns, but the last 3 guns I have bought I opted for a model without a safety. I just think with the striker fired pistols there is no need for one. I know one school of thought is if a bad guy gets ahold of your pistol, it may take him some time to figure out he needs to thumb a safety off.  Some of my friends that are not avid shooters but carry. I tell them I prefer a pistol without a safety, and they look at me like I'm nuts. I tell them if you handle and carry a pistol safely, you don't need a safety. Plus most striker fired pistols have a trigger lever safety.  Just wondering what the general concensis is here for striker fired pistols? 
I used to carry 1911's, but dont anymore. Not because I don't like them, but becqause you can can carry a striker fired pistol that is smaller and the magizines hold more rounds. Plus I didn't want to get into a habit of carrying a pistol without a manual safety, and then switching to one with.   
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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2024, 03:21:03 PM »
I have 2 Sig P365X pistols. One has a thumb safety that will never be used, the other one doesn't have a safety. Both are striker fired, and after killing 3 feral hogs with one in under a minute, I'm not apprehensive about carrying a 9mm with good loads. 17 round magazines doesn't hurt either.
The Sigs have good flat triggers, and I never think about having a safety.
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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2024, 12:35:11 AM »
i wont buy a handgun with a safety and the only ones i own are 1911s and for the last 20 years i can probably count on my fingers the times ive carried a 1911 in public
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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2024, 05:07:44 AM »
I prefer a manual safety. That dingus on the trigger of the plastic fantastic pistols is not a safety.

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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2024, 05:37:27 AM »
  First of all, they ALL have a safety, it just depends on if you want a thumb safety or not.

  Some have even more than a thumb and trigger safety, like the 1911's that have grip ect. safety's.

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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2024, 06:06:20 AM »
This guy had a manual saftey on his gun.  Just saying a manual safety keeps you no more safe than a pistol without one. Its not a manual safety that keeps someone or others safe. Its the user of the pistol that does that. On any pistol the trigger has to be pulled for it to be fired, unless of a gun malfunction, and that is very rare.   

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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2024, 12:51:47 AM »
yup the real safety is between your ears. if your a dumb ass that keeps their finger in the trigger guard then you need one but even that wont cure stupidity. some say their safer around kids. unload your gun with a safety and hand it to an 8 year old and see how long it takes him to figure it out how to make the firing pin drop. bottom line is if you have little kids you either need a lock box or at least keep the gun unloaded and the mag out of the gun. educating your kids does a hell of alot more effective then a safety. my kids grew up with loaded guns in the house. they were educated and shot them all the time so there was no curiosity. when they had friends over the wife and or myself were always there. kids knew where they were allowed to be and what was off limits. last thing i want when something goes bump in the night or someone is trying to shoot me in Walmart is a switch to fumble with. my home defense ars have redots that are always on and my two main handguns have grip activated lasers that come on when you grab the gun. 
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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2024, 01:35:12 AM »
  I like the thumb safety. I'm not saying it is better in any way than the pistols without a safety (I own a Glock too).  I just like the hammer
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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2024, 12:00:15 AM »
I have both types & it matters not to me which I might carry, since as was said above, basically use your head & keep your finger off the trigger until you are going to fire.

To be honest, I think it is better for most inexperienced folks to have a thumb safety, simply because of their not using their heads & more than a few inexperienced folks don't seem to keep their fingers out of the trigger guard.

While I have both types, I train to use a thumb safety even if I don't have the safety set to safe, or even if the one doesn't have one to begin with. Simply because I want it to be a natural thing to make sure IF there is a safety, that it is OFF when I go to fire.

No safety, no big deal, since I have already made the movement with my thumb whether it is there or not, and it is in milliseconds. Not a long time. Basically unconsciously & no thinking involved. "Instinctively", one might say. It takes a bit of training to do it.
So, if one does not train to take the safety off & there is a thumb safety and I don't take it off, then it may slow me down even in milliseconds and when time is of the essence, I don't want to slow down.

I don't know if I am explaining it well enough, but with good training, making your process of going from holster, or non shooting "stance" to shooting should be made into an "instinct" like act & not something you need to think about.

 Thus, getting used to a thumb safety might be a prudent thing to practice, even if you don't carry one with a thumb safety. You may not have your own firearm for some reason, it may have malfunctioned to a point where it is unusable, or something along those lines & you don't have the time to repair.

Sidetrack...The uniformity of agencies & the military, etc. all using the same firearms is not just for logistics, it is also so that you can take a partners or buddies firearm & keep going if you have to do it.
If you are carrying one type of firearm & someone is carrying a different one & you are not familiar with each others firearm, if there is ever a situation where your firearm is not working right & you end up needing to use the others, or vice versa, a delay in un-familiarity could be a matter of serious bodily injury or death.
While if you are using the same type firearm, then it is easy to use the others piece as if it were your own. So, if you are using a non thumb safety & the buddy is using one with the safety, in the heat of a dangerous situation, the one not used to using a thumb safety & thus not thinking about taking the thumb safety off could cause a delay, and that delay could be a bad deal.

As well, just having the familiarity with ones firearm that one is using, is important also & that is another thing that inexperienced shooters have to deal with. Most don't really know the firearm well enough since they have not taken the time to know it.

Last thing one would want in a split second situation is to not know what you are doing due to not knowing the mechanics of the firearm when ya really would need it.

I could go on, but I likely have said enough.

Most folks here are well familiar with firearms & particularly their own firearms, so with your experience you can make good choices & decisions about whether you want one with or without, but I am thinking that the average Joe or Jane who has not even had a firearms safety class, ought to be getting a a firearm with a thumb safety until they have the experience to carry one without a thumb safety.

YMMV, of course. but that is my opinion. Hope it is understandable in the way I tried to put it across.

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Re: Manual safety or no safety
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2024, 01:07:18 AM »
Whatever you choose, you have to
train, and put rounds downrange
and carry it
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .
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