bet dodge and ram feel like budwiser.

[Lloyd Smale]

well as to towing the ford 3.5 turbo makes substantially more hp and torque than there v8 or my chev v8. as does the new dodge turbo 6. it even beats the 6.4 hemi. that said when you tow with them and are relying on boost from the turbos gas milage goes out the door and stress on the motor is certainly increased. fact is in the case of the ram 6 that was supposidly brought out to beat the 5.7 hemis gas mileage (which is already pour) the epa rates the hemi one mile per gallon BETTER. makes you scratch your head why the spent all that R&D to end up with more of a gas hog. even the 5.3 chev silverados in the real world get as good or better fuel economy then their turbo 4cyl.

My son has a turbo V-6 in a Ford F-150.  He blew the head gasket accelerating to get onto the interstate.  It cost him $2,600 to get the head gasket replaced.  He said they all are phasing out V-8's due to government regulations on gas mileage.  I told him to drive like an older person so it won't get blown again.

It is one thing for the government to subsidize the electric car industry and another to make gasoline mileage go up so high that the gasoline vehicles are no good anymore for towing or even driving.  How do you tow something with a V-6 like a travel trailer or a boat?

Electrics are not going to be ready by 2035 regardless of what the government wants.  Electric prices have to come down, charging time and range have to go up.  Also, the GRID has to be able to handle all the charging.  Fix the grid first, more nukes is the only real answer, other than more natural gas and coal power plants.

[M134 Troll]

63K miles 5.7 Hemi turning over at maybe 1500 rpm rolling up I 75 at 70 mph.....and I expect it  to do that for at least another 200k miles.  1750 rpm if I take it up to 75 mph.

Not so much a matter of power but one of longevity and vehicle cost.

[Drilling Man]

stupid decisions by upper management to shove evs down our throats and sales are tanking. nobody wants theit electric muscle cars or even 6 cyl turbo trucks and muscle cars. AMERICANS WANT V8"s.

  and you will have them, Dodge is going back to V8's in 2026.

  DM

[ironglow]

or this?  guess which is sitting in my garage

   ...And lots of choices in between..

[Lloyd Smale]

we are talking old vs new so lets be generous and say that 2600 represents a 200 dollar bill in 1970. my first new car was a plymoth 340 duster. blew the motor at 40k. rebuilt it and a 1000 miles later the rear end blew. transmission (4 speed) was replaced at 50k had enough of it so i traded it on a 77 chev 4x4 new. left me on the side of the road with a blown tranny on the way home from buying it. they rebuilt it and that one lasted less than a 1000 miles. they then relaced it with a new one. sold that truck to dad at 35k and it made about 5k before it wiped the cam. i wont even discuss my first couple mopars, a gtx and a roadrunner because i think i was under them more than sitting in them. fast forward to 2003. bought a new chev 4x4 bought another in 06, 10, 15, 17, and a ram in 20 and my latest a 2024 silverado. i had exactly 0 problems with any of them. buddy has my 06 and it has 275k on it today and 99 percent of the last 100k has been plowing. heads never been off that motor. still gets 1500 miles to a quart of oil and purs like a kitten. original tranny too and its a half ton! if it wasnt so rotted out id hop in it and drive 2000 mikes tomorrow.

people cry about purchase prices and repair bills but factor in what wages were in the 60s and 70s to todays wages and there no more expensive and you get something for the same money that lasts 3 times longer. you all know im not a toyota fan but i owe them thanks. their bullet proof motors in the 70s and 80s when the big three made junk shook up those manufactures to make motors today that last just as long and are if anything ahead of toyota in technology and fuel economy.

there has never been a time thats better for truck buyers, performance car buyers or for that matter ANY buyer that gave you more vehicle for your dollar than today. heck ive got a dodge challenger that is 500hp turns low 12 second quarter mile times gets 25mpg and will easily go 200k. best old muscle car i owned was a ss454 chevelle. it did high 12 second quarter mile times got 10mpg (im being generous) and was burning enough oil at 60k that i had to rebuild it. we live in the glory days of automobiles. think it was better in the 70s?? you have a VERY SHORT memory. think it willbe better in the future? all it will take is another liberal take over of the government and your going to be driving ev's that cost twice as much or be peddling your bike.

[ironglow]

  From DD;

  " It is one thing for the government to subsidize the electric car industry and another to make gasoline mileage go up so high that the gasoline vehicles are no good anymore for towing or even driving.  How do you tow something with a V-6 like a travel trailer or a boat? "
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  I can't account for all towing operations, but my son has a travel trailer..18 ft I believe..and he tows it quite comfortably with his Ford Maverick
   pickup, that has a 4cyl turbo..

[Lloyd Smale]

yup a v6 in a chev is 300hp. ford? 400hp. 1979 350 chev? 195hp a 79 454 210hp. 92 corvette was the first american car with 300hp. a 4cyl turbo silverado does 300 today. dont think theres a pickup you can buy today with much less than 300hp. at least american. probably the imports too but i cant say that for sure. base motor in the small ranger is 300 hp. chev colorado is a slug with 20 more hp than a 70s 454! they do have a 300 hp option. add to that all of these vehicles have vastly better brakes then anything back then to stop your camper. id MUCH rather pull a 30ft camper with my 1/2 to silverado than i would a one ton 79 with a 454. 10 times better ride, better brakes, almost twice the hp and probably 3 times better fuel milage. crap it even tells you what road to take 

[ironglow]

A real joke...   Yesterday Pres Trump bought a Tesla, admitting that as president, he doesn't drive...but his staff can use it.

  In any case, it was a great exposure for EVs, when the president bought one.

  Funny part is..now the lefties are condemning the purchase, after campaigning for electric cars for many years now...

[Lloyd Smale]

ya that didnt impress me

A real joke...   Yesterday Pres Trump bought a Tesla, admitting that as president, he doesn't drive...but his staff can use it.

  In any case, it was a great exposure for EVs, when the president bought one.

  Funny part is..now the lefties are condemning the purchase, after campaigning for electric cars for many years now...

[ironglow]

  One thing seems clear...watching Youtube on TV... when it comes to police chasing after the bad guys, it seems the Dodge Charger is king..

[Lloyd Smale]

thats the rumor and theyre even talking the 6.4 in half ton trucks. heard its a stop gap to cover their stupidity till they can get a more modern v8 into production maybe in 3 years

stupid decisions by upper management to shove evs down our throats and sales are tanking. nobody wants theit electric muscle cars or even 6 cyl turbo trucks and muscle cars. AMERICANS WANT V8"s.

  and you will have them, Dodge is going back to V8's in 2026.

  DM

[Lloyd Smale]

used to chuckle. my wife likes chicago pd because theres cute guys. pay attention though and you can see its sponcered in part by dodge. they not only have a charger but its a flipping hellcat charger and the chief runs around in a srt 392 durango!!!  almost worth moving to Chicago and signing up. but theres a good chance your partner will be a transvestite so i guess ill pass and buy my own!!!

  One thing seems clear...watching Youtube on TV... when it comes to police chasing after the bad guys, it seems the Dodge Charger is king..

[Drilling Man]

  One thing seems clear...watching Youtube on TV... when it comes to police chasing after the bad guys, it seems the Dodge Charger is king..

  I noticed that too, but I did see a cop run a bad guy down that was driving a Charger, and he did it with a Camaro, the cop was going 140 mph to get it done.

  Danny Brown was driving the Camaro, and he went by the other cops like they were standing still, they were topped out at 117mph, but he said the Camaro would go over the 140 it took to catch the guy.

  That was on OP Live on Reelz, it's on every Friday and Saturday nights, great show that I watch most every week.

  DM

[Casull]

yup a v6 in a chev is 300hp. ford? 400hp. 1979 350 chev? 195hp a 79 454 210hp. 92 corvette was the first american car with 300hp. a 4cyl turbo silverado does 300 today. dont think theres a pickup you can buy today with much less than 300hp. at least american. probably the imports too but i cant say that for sure. base motor in the small ranger is 300 hp. chev colorado is a slug with 20 more hp than a 70s 454! they do have a 300 hp option. add to that all of these vehicles have vastly better brakes then anything back then to stop your camper. id MUCH rather pull a 30ft camper with my 1/2 to silverado than i would a one ton 79 with a 454. 10 times better ride, better brakes, almost twice the hp and probably 3 times better fuel milage. crap it even tells you what road to take 

Lloyd, I was with you until the corvette quote.  First American car with 300hp?

[Lloyd Smale]

 should have said first american modern car and ill add that that 300hp rated as they were back then would be more like 375-400. real world the lti 300hp vettes were low 14 second quarter mile cars and it would have only been beat by a hand full of those old muscle cars. best of them in the real world were low tomid 13 second cars. in 96 thet made that lti in a 335hp version that actually put out more power than the first ls vettes camaros anf firebirds and they were high 12s to low 13 cars. in 2001 came the zo6 vettes that were solid 12 second cars and im leaving out the 91-96 zr1s with the duel overhead cam motor made by mercruiser that were low 12 cars and even then in 91 they were the quickest and fastest vettes made to that day including the 454s and 427 tri powers. i had 2 buick grandnationals. an 86 and 87 and stock with a v6 id line up with any car from the 60s and 70s with the exceptions of the same hand full that would beat the lti vettes. i had a buddy that had a 70 lt1 (the old first gen 350 with 350hp) my 92 would clean his clock. raced another buddy with a 375 hp 396 chevelle and i took his lunch money too. the real golden age of fast cars started with the grand nationals and continued to improve from there. today theres 4cyl cars (and trucks) putting more hp to the wheels. v8's? my hemi ram would SMOKE my old 340 duster. the challenger i drive today is 400hp with a tune and would run real loe 12s and beat anything from back then in the quarter and top end? none of them are going to run 180mph with me. funny thing is its just a mediocure muscle car today. hell cats zl1 camarows, gt350 and 500 mustangs and any vette from 2015 on would whip my ass as would the 2008 zo6 vette i had that would run in the 11s all day long. we are living in the golden age of cars.at least till the libs and their prius's and suburu's ruin it again.

[ironglow]

  From Lloyd, speaking about the "smart car"..

  " yup a modern v8 vega or willys gasser. dont know where youd put the motor though. seriously though."

  Those are an odd little puppy..the engine is over the rear wheels..

[Lloyd Smale]

so are you and about over the front wheels at the same time

  From Lloyd, speaking about the "smart car"..

  " yup a modern v8 vega or willys gasser. dont know where youd put the motor though. seriously though."

  Those are an odd little puppy..the engine is over the rear wheels..

[ironglow]

so are you and about over the front wheels at the same time

  From Lloyd, speaking about the "smart car"..

  " yup a modern v8 vega or willys gasser. dont know where youd put the motor though. seriously though."

  Those are an odd little puppy..the engine is over the rear wheels..

  No; but the smart car driver is the first to arrive at the scene of the accident !