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« on: February 16, 2004, 09:11:03 AM »
Jarhead Ed,

I don't reload as I am probably to stupid!  Heck, I seem to always be putting my bullet down the bore of my muzzle loader without powder so I don't have any business reloading. :-D

I bought a 78 vintage 444S last year and shoot the hornady Light Magnum 265 gr. factory ammo.  Wow, what a shooter.  I do  :yeah: love that rifle.  Now if I could just get that 336W to shoot that well...

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2004, 10:00:11 AM »
VTDW, reloading is easier than you think.
Heck, even I can do it.
Not only is actually doing it very informative, there is absolutely NOTHING like putting some of your own ammo into the target.
I bought the Lee Anniversary kit for $70 figuring that I don't lose much if I don't like it, but I now load for a dozen different cartridges.
It is an enjoyable way to whittle away time when you can spare it.
Try it.
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Just how bad is the 444 Remington 240 gr factory load?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2004, 03:34:22 AM »
Hi Ed and all;

I just traded for a 444S a few weeks ago, so I have a lot of learning to do about this rifle and this caliber.

All that I will hunt with this rifle is our local 100 to 150 pound Whitetail deer. No bear, no elk, no moose... we're talking Southwestern Pennsylvania here.

I have read that the 444S can really shine with the 265 and 300 grain bullets when reloaded. I do reload.

Now I look in my Lyman's 47th reloading manual and they give data of 47.0 grains of IMR-4198 under a Remington 240 grain SP bullet for a velocity of 2341 fps. This is a "factory velocity duplication load" according to the Lyman folks.

I'm looking at a 500 bullet bulk package of Remington 240 grain SP bullets that I have left over from when I used to reload for a 44 Magnum that I once owned...

My question is to Jarhead Ed and anyone else with experience with the Remington factory loads that use this same bullet... What is your experience with it? Is it really a bad, or inadequate, or inaccurate, or poorly performing loading? Or, are all the fellows just saying that the 444 can do better with a different bullet?

Thanks in advance for educating me!

Jerry in Southwestern PA, (where the deer are getting mighty scarce!)

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2004, 05:10:04 PM »
Jerry,
I have shot a lot of the 240 grain factory, but like Jarhead Ed i was doing it to get the brass. a buddy of mine gave me a bunch of loaded ammo and brass that his dad had laying around for years. It shot pretty well, but the rifle really shoots best for me with the Hornady 265 gr FPs. I have killed a black bear and several deer with that bullet. Deer dont even know what hit them! :shock:  Get a box of the Hornadys and give them a try.

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2004, 12:11:36 AM »
I also use the hornady 265 in my .444. This bullet was designed for this rifle caliber and velocity. This also makes the hornady 265 a great muzzleloader bullet for todays magnum inline muzzleloaders. I have not shot a lot of deer with it yet, but those I have went down fast.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2004, 04:06:14 AM »
Jerry PA:  You are shooting one of my mostest favorite calibers.  I have always thought the factory loads were somewhat understated for this caliber, especially with regard to bullet weight offerings.  I was very happy to see the Hornaday Light Magnums come out for this caliber and find that the 265 gr bullet they offer is leaving the barrel at the same velcoties we used to reload them to.  Good, it's about time.  

As for your question regarding the Remington 240 gn bullet used in the Remington factory loads and those for the 44 magnum that you have laying around, a recent article in the 4/04 Shooting Times by Joe Coogan who took his Marlin 444 on an Argentine Red Stag hunt provides that Remingtons original offering in 444 used the Remington 240 gr bullet they used in the 44 magnum.  Remington now offers the cartridge with a 265 gn load that vastly improves the performance of that cartridge.  

My personal preferences are for the 300 gr or heavier bullets.  However, for what you will be hunting, the 240s are very good.  They are very good on larger game too.  One of our other posters took a large cow Elk with an 80 yd broadside shot that dropped her in her tracks.  They recovered the bullet under the hide on the far side.  That's pretty good performance for a pistol bullet at rifle speeds, and that load should drop any whitetail if you place your shots properly.

I've taken a fair amount of game with a 444, including black bear, moose and squirrel, and whitetail.  Most of my loads have been with the 265 gn bullet but a fair number have been with the 240s.  I didn't have any problems with either bullet.  With 500 slugs hanging around you can get in a lot of practice and get to know your rifle well.

If I may suggest - if yours is the 444S with the Micro-groove barrel, you may wish to firelap the bore to obtain better accuracy.  Beartooth Bullets as well as Veral Smith sell firelapping kits and the result is a more accurate rifle.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2004, 05:09:33 AM »
Quote from: VTDW
Jarhead Ed,

I don't reload ...

Dave :-)


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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2004, 03:00:25 AM »
I also am fond of the speer 240 grain gold dot soft point. It is kinda hard to find but worth it. The one I have recovered from a whitetail shot long ways (in the neck shooting down hill 60yrds, went 3/4 the length of the deer) expanded perfectly.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2004, 09:23:50 AM »
Gentelmen,

What the 444 is REALLY good for is for shooting in Long Range Buffalo Rifle matches.

I use my 444 to shoot heavy 480 grain bullets at distances from 220 yards (offhand) on out to 1000 yards from the cross-stick rest.

This is where the caliber really shines. Hunting is pretty close range stuff where many other calbers are OK, including the 444. But! when you really want to reach out there and touch the steel go for the 0.429 bore size.

Good afternoon,
Forrest

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444 at long ranges
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2004, 02:54:57 AM »
FAsmus - ya'll really gotta kick over the information on where you get those bullets and what powder charges you use to propell them to those long ranges.  Got too many of us droolin' over the thought of a 1K yd 444.  Droolin' Mikey.

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Re: 444 at long ranges
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2004, 03:09:15 AM »
Mikey,

M:  ya'll really gotta kick over the information on where you get those bullets and what powder charges you use to propell them to those long ranges.  Got too many of us droolin' over the thought of a 1K yd 444.  

F:  It is really pretty easy. Alls a fellow has to do is get a 16 twist barrel from Montana Rifleman and install it on a suitable action of some kind ( mine is an old FBW "J"). I bought a wonderful mold from David Mos of Ballard Rifles over in Cody and the rest is the typical loading work-up.

The 480 grain GC bullet works over several kinds of powder. It isn't a difficult cartridge to load for at all. I use 19 gr SR4759 for the most part but it'll shoot very well with AA2200 or Data 4197 too.

Good morning,
Forrest

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2004, 03:41:07 AM »
Thanks Man, I'm looking forward to trying some of those loads...  Mikey.

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2004, 01:59:55 PM »
I hate to cause controversy, but when Elmer Keith did his experimentation on the 44 mag, the bullets he used were rifle bullets.  granted, the rifle bullets of that day were more of a modern pistol bullet, but they were still rifle bullets.  if you try a Hornady XTP in the 444, you will be more than satisfied with its performance.  I have done it with these "pistol" bullets, and you will be surprised.   :lol:
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