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Offline S.S.

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Hellooooo! Any of you Canadian folks out there?
« on: February 16, 2004, 08:33:03 AM »
Yesterday I was  reading an article on Canadian
Firearms ownership, and from what I read,
You folks can't own much of anything "Up THERE"
without a license of one sort or another,
except Muzzle Loaders or Air rifles that do not
exceed 154 meters per sec.
Is "UNCLE ?" (we have uncle sam, I don't know
who to put there for Canada) really that restrictive?
The article sounded aweful !!!
Unfortunately I cannot find the link I was reading again!

If it is as bad as it sounded, We have room for you in Georgia!
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restrictions?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2004, 01:45:18 PM »
Anything we need for hunting or target shooting is no problem, but when you get into handguns with less than 4" or prohibited long arms ( ar15 and such) it's a little harder to get But just like you guys we have our cabinents full, from lever actions, bolts, semi auto, pumps etc. I have Mosin, Garand, Winchester, Brno,Swedish mauser,lee enfield savage, norinko, you get the picture :D  :D  having fun just like you!!!!1 Enjoy

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2004, 02:24:29 AM »
Glad to hear that!
I normally keep up with firearms rights in as many
places as I can, I thought something tragic had happened
in Canada like had happened to our Aussie Brethren !
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2004, 12:29:30 PM »
It seems to me that you've been hearing about our Possession and Acquisition Licences (PAL).

Our first gun law contained a provision for Firearms Acquision Certificates (FAC).  The premise was that people with mental problems, criminal records and histories of violence shouldn't be allowed to purchase firearms.  A system of licencing was set up whereby you would apply for a licence, and the police would do a background check, and a licence would be issued.  These licences cost $10 every 5 years, and an honest law-abiding citizen had no problems in getting one.

About 10 years ago a crazy shot a bunch of women at a college in Montreal, and typical of our times it was decided that the gun was at fault and not the criminal.  Magazines were limited to 5 shots for autos, and the PAL system was put in place.  This increased the burden of the law so that a licence ($50) was now required to not only buy, but possess firearms as well.  A little later, our long gun registry was also put in place (we've had handgun reistration since the '30's).

It also increased the number of firearms that were considered "prohibited" so that many commonly held handguns were deemed "saturday night specials" and added to the prohibited class.  Also, it seemed, that any firearm that had ever been used to kill a woman was added to the prohibited list.  

The new law also made it harder to get a licence (even though the crazy who started it all wasn't properly licenced).  Now, if your wife or live-in accuses you of improperly storing/using firearms or threatening her with one, you are guilty and your firearms seized.  One friend lost his right to have a gun for 2 years because of a false accusation during a marriage break-up, and two other friends stored guns with me during similar times for fear that the same would happen to them.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2004, 03:51:11 AM »
That was it, the person who wrote the article also said
that they had to "WELD" a block into their tube magazine .22
rifle so that it would only hold so many rounds and be legal.
Does the mag. capacity law of five rounds apply to all
firearms?
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2004, 08:51:52 AM »
Only to centre fire semi-auto rifles.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2004, 08:50:42 AM »
as far as magazine capacitity goes it don't matter with rimfires. in fact i saw a guy out at a local sand pit with one of those drum magazines for a 10/22. how much do those hold? actually the only muzzleloaders you can buy without a PAL are flintlocks. you also need to have PAL to buy highpowered air rifles and cross bows but you don't have to register them. i actually don't think the AR15 is prohibited rick, only restricted. check out www.wolverinesupplies.com. there out in virden manitoba and they are the only authorized canadian dealer for armalite and springfield armoury.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2004, 06:07:55 PM »
The AR-15 and variants is NOT PROHIBITED! It is classified as RESTRICTED and requires you have a restricted endorsement with your PAL. Only restrictions is that you are required to possess an Authorization To Transport (ATT) to take it to/from range, gunsmith, etc... They're available from your Provincial CFO.

Lee-Enfield magazines were also exempted from the 5 round mag limit under C-68/Firearms Act.

It broke my heart having to rivet my genuine Colt 30 round mags for my AR-15 and limit them to 5 rounds. However, you can break high capacity magazines down into their componet parts, and as long as they remain unassembled, are perfectly legal and are classified as unrestricted spare parts! As soon as you put that 20 or 30 rounder together, it becomes a "Prohibited Device" and you're in contravention of the Firearms Act - plus you'll be the cause of the end of Canadian civilization as we know it!

Pain in the A$$ having to load five rounds at a time. I ended up investing just as much in magazines as I paid for my AR. Load them up before heading to the range and then shoot away.

As for Canadian restrictions, compared to the USA, in some ways we have even greater freedoms. For instance, we can still buy and sell long guns by mail, only we now have to complete the transfer process first. No FFL middle man. No waiting periods for purchase of firearms (just bureaucratic inertia) no limit on the number of firearms you can purchase at one time and no Pre-ban/Post-ban restrictions and we can legally buy ARs with shorty barrels under 16". We can also buy guns without every having to leave your house. Give gun shop your information, PAL number, and credit card number, they contact the Canadian Firearms Center who completes the registration transfer and issues TAN and new Reg. certificate, dealer gets okay and ships directly to you, a couple of days and there is a courier knocking on your door with your new handgun, or postman with your long gun. Right now the bottleneck is the CFC. With all the cut backs and lay-offs, transfer times have gone way up and the promised 15 minute transfer time a complete and utter joke.

On the negative side, new shooters and those who sold their prohibited firearms and unintentionally sold their "grandfathered" status are basically $crewed. Can't own any handguns with barrels under 4" and many of the more interesting toys, like AK-47s, FALs, etc... unless a parent/guardian has grandfathered status and leaves firearms to you in their will - there is an exemption for them.

On the up side, we can buy SKS for $100 CDN, Swedes for under $200 CDN and Garands for under $300 CDN, - find the right shop/deal and you can knock another $50-$100 off those prices. We don't have an import ban on foreign military surplus, so we don't have to pay$500-$600US for a Garand.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 12:41:04 PM »
I believe the 5 shot mag provision is for all centerfire rifles, not just semi-autos.  I don't know for sure about handguns but I think you are limited to 10 shot clips.  Flintlock rifles don't have to be registered but flintlock handguns do.  Too many people robbing banks with them, I suppose.  The long gun registry is doomed, in my opinion.  It is totally useless and full of errors.  The CFC (Canadian Firearms Centre) staff are ignoring many of the laws themselves.  Handguns are still the preferred weapon of criminals and they have been registering them since 1934.  Many still believe (or hope) that our system will self-destruct.  As stupid and frustrating as it is, I prefer the Canadian system to the American.  We must all keep fighting the foolishness !!

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2004, 11:08:19 AM »
It blows to live in canada and own guns......
"If it is as bad as it sounded, We have room for you in Georgia!"
Hmmmm...really...well now that is tempting..... nicer weather than here that's for sure.... I really wish it was that easy, I'd already be there.
Our guns laws suck here, but hopefully the liberals will get voted out and the law can start to change for the better.
But hey on the up side I have a new to me revolver on it's way.