Clip toTokarov

[Archie]

What is a goodsource for clips for PP 33 Tokarov,  any adjustable site for this model?

Thanks,

[NRAJOE]

(TT33 CLIPS)

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/sportsmansguide/reto8ma.html

[Robert357]

Just so you have options.....

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/tokorev.html

I have two Norinco Tokarov's, both in 9mm.  When I purchased them I had the option of either the ChiCom 9mm or 762x25.  I opted for both in 9mm.  I then asked them to toss in an extra magazine for each.  They pulled out two for th 7.62x25 and they have worked beautifully for years and years.

There are some special Norinco Tokarov's that are built for 9mm that do require a special magazine.  Since you said it was a T33, I am assuming you have a 7.62x25

I think the Tokarov is a very under-rated pistol.  I really like mine, even though I have much more expensive handguns.  There were probably more of these made than 1911's considering how many years is was both the Warsaw Pact and Chinese standard issue sidearm and an export special for both areas arms manufacturing industries.  

In tearing it down, with the exception of the lack of a grip safety, I see a lot of similarities between it and the insides of a Colt 1911 and a Colt 1903.  It looks like it has some of each of the 1903 and 1911 concepts all mixed together.

[Mikey]

Robert357 - you are correct about the similarities between the 1911, the 1903 and the Tokarev.  The 1911 was a Browing design, the TT-33 was a take-off of the Browing design and is similar to the 1903.  

My Tok was ordered in 7.62 and 38 Super - the magazines are the same.  When I finally puked out and got a 9mm bbl for the Tok, the extra magazines I ordered were for the longer 7.62.  A friend's Tok had lots of trouble withhis 9mm mags, so he opted to use those for the 7.62.  

You are also correct about the Tok being very underrated.  I wish someone would do with the Tok what S&W have done with the PPK - just make a few minor improvements, like a 1911 style slide safety, a slightly deeper cut on the upper grip handle and a slight beavertail on that grip, plus a set of nice small squared or adjustable sights.  That doggone 7.62 shoots pretty flat to 100 yds and with decent sights would make a nifty little woods piece for small game.  Just my 2 cents worth.  Mikey.

[1911crazy]

Mikey Numrich Gun Parts has the magazine spacer for when changing over from the 7.62x25 to the 9mm round.    BigBill

 The tokarev pistol 9mm conversion numbers are;

  TT-30  #717910A        Mag. Spacer       $6.15
   T-33   #717910B        Mag Spacer        $6.15
   54-T   # 717910C       Mag. Spacer       $6.15

[Robert357]

Mikey, BigBill

Ah, fellow travelers......and Tok lovers.

>>A friend's Tok had lots of trouble withhis 9mm mags...

My biggest problem with my Tok is the cheap plastic used by Norinco.  Gunscrubber has eaten and caused cracks in both the handgrips and the floorplate of the 9mm mag.  The CDNN website sells both replacement grips and metal floorplates, so I have replaced each.  Outside of that I have had no problems.

>>I wish someone would do with the Tok what S&W have done with the PPK - just make a few minor improvements, like a 1911 style slide safety, a slightly deeper cut on the upper grip handle and a slight beavertail on that grip, plus a set of nice small squared or adjustable sights.

Tell me about it.......I am still looking at gun shows for a low, rear adjustable sight that has about the same dovetail as my Tok.  I have seen Eastern European target Tok's that have adjustable sights, but never seen anyone selling them.   Because the Tok is sooooooo fast, and the fixed iron sights on the Norinco's were the same as for the 7.62x25, I had to file off a big part of the rear sight on my 9mm to get POI and POA to be the same.

I know that if they had aftermarket options like the Soviet Markarov has, I am sure a lot of folks would purchase them.

[Mikey]

>Because the Tok is sooooooo fast, and the fixed iron sights on the Norinco's were the same as for the 7.62x25, I had to file off a big part of the rear sight on my 9mm to get POI and POA to be the same.

Robert357 - you got that right Buddy.  That 7.62 is one flat shootin' Moma, and neither the 9mm or the 38 Super come close to matching that flat trajectory.  When I saw where my 38 Supers hit in relation to the 7.62s (^" high) I was tempted to do just what you did but then decided to basically leave the sights as they were.  I don't usually pack the 38 Super bbl as I am very confident with the 7.62s, so all I did with the sights was to open up the rear notch by squaring it off with a small Swiss file.  That helped with the sight picture quite a bit and you hardly notice it.  If I carry the 38 Supers in the Tok I just remember where she hits.....

As for sights, I'm thinking that possible a J-Frame S&W rear sight might work or even an MMC for a smaller pistol - problem is that you would have to work on that front sight blade to get basic POA at your desired range.  

Mikey................