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Asa how do you bury your drags at your dirt holes?
« on: April 03, 2004, 01:54:45 PM »
Any hints for young trappers just starting out to  properly set drags  when making canine sets?

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Asa how do you bury your drags at your di
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2004, 02:46:21 PM »
:-) Good topic RdFx for those who have never used drags!  I dig trap beds deep enough to bury the drag at the bottom of the bed and then completely cover the drag with dirt and pack the dirt down good.  One must be sure to have the drag points cpmpletely covered so that the chain does not snag a drag point while being pulled out of the bed.  When this happens an animal could take the drag for long distances without leaving adequate sign to follow.  I have a feeling that this is what has happened when I hear so much about novice trappers not being able find a dragged animal.  Next, the chain is lowered into the bed by coiling it evenly around and around so that when the chain is being pulled out of the bed it uncoils perfectly without kinking or coming out in a tangled ball.  Dirt is then packed soundly on top of the covered chain to make a good solid  bedding for the trap.  This packing method also has another benefit, one can easily see what direction the animal was heading when they jerked out big clumps of packed dirt in the direction they were going.  If one know what direction the animal was heading, they can easily follow subtle drag markings further on by looking carefully for them before moving forward from marking to marking.  These subtle drag markings can many times be a tiny leaf turned over, a tiny pebble turned over or just a blade of grass bent over.  If one tracks, traipses or runs all over the set area without moving cautiously to follow the markings, then they will not know whether the animal or themselves made the markings should they be forced to start over on the trail again when they fail to find the animal or trap by tracking and searching the immediate entanglement area.  Hope this is helpful.  Got any tips to add to this RdFx?  Ace

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2004, 02:57:16 PM »
One can  see which way a  animal went with drag  if you use  pan covers of some sort they usually are  laying somewhere close by in direction animal went in..... also a caught animal USUALLY goes down hill or into brush or high grass to hide so  most times if you look for  cover the animal will be there.  This is  (usually the normal) thing that happens with a animal caught   in a drag equipped trap.   Also  using at least 6 foot and even 8 foot is better of chain on your drag and trap setup.   Wacky got any hints to add?

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Asa how do you bury your drags at your di
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2004, 03:50:59 PM »
I just want to emphasize one more time that generaly speaking, 90% of the time one can head out from the set in the direction of the dirt clumps or pan cover and find the animal in the nearest thick cover to the set.  When one gets even near to the animal they will hear the jingleing of the trap chain.  However, maybe 5% to 10% of the time the animal circles back in the opposite direction from how they started out, takes the easy route out of the area down the road, across the field or just plain lucky enough to make it right through the entanglement for a quarter mile.  When this happens one isn't going to locate the animal by circleing the entanglement listening for the chain jingle.  Now it is required that one start right back at the set area and follow the subtle signs carefully.  If they have tracked up the area first, it is going to be difficult to know whether the drag or themselves made the subtle markings and tell-tale signs.  If one adopts a policy of carefully following markings away from every set, they will be ensured of finding 99.9% of the animals.  What becomes harder yet at times is when the animal was toe caught and manages to pull out of the trap, or a large animal like a wolf or bear takes the trap a considerable distance before pulling out and leaving the trap buiried in a thicket.  Now the trap is a long distance from the set and with no animal to jingle the chain, following subtle drag markings is the only way one will retrieve their trap under these conditions.  Its better to be safe than sorry and learn to follow drag markings.  I know adrenaline always runs with anticipation when a trap is gone, not knowing whether one has a coyote, fox, bobcat or coon in my locality. This adrenaline rush makes us all want to rush out and quickly find our successful harvest but patience will pay off in the long run.  My dad taught and instilled that into my head when I was just a small child and I have always taught my students to follow the subtle markings so very few of my past students ever had a problem with finding animals and traps using the patience method.  Ace :grin:

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Asa how do you bury your drags at your di
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2004, 05:05:23 PM »
It seems to me that drags and their use vary as much or more than staking.  First off, I can comment only on coyotes, cats and to a much lesser extent fox.  There are other larger animals that I have experience with but  I'm not allowed to address these, based on the distribution of shearable hair relative to their perianal areas :twisted: .

Just about the only time I've ever buried a drag under a trap is when I make a dirt hole.   I make relatively few dirt hole sets but those that I do make are big holes.  In my country digging holes that deep (to bury /pack a drag and bed a trap) is frequently a real effort too impossibe.  

I most often scratch a ditch, for the chain, from the trap of to the side and usually  the back of the trap bed.  This allows for a shallow hole for hiding the drag.  I lay the grapple in its' bed and hammer the down side point into the ground.  The chain is then layered along the axis of the shank, covered and packed down.  I blend the drag bed as I do for the trap bed.  I try to keep the drag close to a clump, bush, log boulder or what ever I have for a backing and usually put some sort of blocking guides about to keep critters from stepping on or approaching the set over the drag bed.

The second most common way I deploy drags is to purposely tangle them among limbs of trees or bushes.  I do this when staking is impossible and /or  I have directions I DON'T want the critter to go.  RdFx mentioned that they often head down hill...along my line most of these so called "hills" require repelling gear and a drag in the tree is in order.  Also, along traveled roads, a drag often can be stretched to its' length in the desired direction of travel tangled or hammered in.  Once caught, the critter can move easily only in the general direction of the grapple's anchoring location.  If the grapple is in a "remote" bush or tree there will you find your catch.  I know fox men that use these approaches to allow greys to get concealment and protection from other predators including those equipped with large talons.  In any case you can influence the direction of escape away from, for example, a roadway or toward a concealed hide.

I think that one needs to consider the adage, "best laid plans" when choosing locations for drags.  Look 360 degrees and ask yourself where the catch will likely end up if they head in any one direction.  Concern yourself  with roads...they can be real hard to follow especially if the rancher drives by before you.  Hard frozen ground can be very problematic especially if cover is distant and, snow after a catch in open areas is just slow going, if possible at all.  While on the topic of snow, consider how you will know if you have made a catch...often he ain't gonna be sittin at the bed!  I use a metal detector... no beep is a good thing!

Something to consider, especially if you have widely varying cover types, is to have some "extension chains" along.  In potentially problematic areas or weather conditions you can add 5 or 10 feet of extra chain...not many coyotes will travel far, even in loose sand on 15 too 20 feet of chain and if they do you'll be able to track em.  Also, you can use this rig to anchor your catch to even more remote locations.  

I use 100% Wimberly plows.  The addition of this 3 or so inch inverted "V" connecting the bends of the grapple points makes a remarkable difference in both "hang time" and drag marks...which mean fast / short trackings.

Hope this helps some!

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Asa how do you bury your drags at your di
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2004, 03:55:50 AM »
:) Wacky's post on the use of drags in varying terrains and circumstances reminded me that I should mention that at deep snow sets I just throw the drag and chain out into the snow behind the set. Then I reach out with an evergreen bough and smooth over the unnatural markings in the snow.  Also, at dirt sets where there is a root or something like that to anchor the drag too, I don't do it anyway because I want the animal to get away from the set so I can preserve the set spot to use over and over again.  A hot spot is a hot spot and I don't want to disturb something that produces results year after year. I have some spots that have produced every year for 50 years.  Dirt has been jerked out of the trap bed so many times at these hot spots and the hole has been dug deeper and deeper to get new sand so many times that I have to carry in sand to finish the new set each season.  There is something magic about certain set locations.  I've many times moved sets just 10' away from the hot spot and the harvesting results would drop considerably.   :grin: Ace

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What about those black and white kittys?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2004, 04:18:40 AM »
Asa i think you have to relocate some of yr sets  in the Manistique area so there arent so many black and white kittys on the roads.  Maybe we should tell Newt to come and help as he is always looking for those critters  to play with :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2004, 05:17:30 AM »
:grin: RdFx:  Black and white kitties are nature's perfect aroma and the Manistique Chamber of Commerce wants to get everyone's attention when they pass through the area.  :lol: Ace