I took the 45-70 to the range today to sight in my scope. I put my Leupold M8 4X scope on it. Lots of eye relief. No more holes in the bridge of my nose. I was shooting the 405 grain cast bullets. These are the ones loaded with 13.5 grains of Unique and WW Mag primer. They shoot great. Zeroed at 25 yards, it is 1 3/4 inches high at 50 yards and right on the button at 100 yards. I may set it a little higher at 50 and see where she hits at 100 then. These are moving out at just 1150 fps and are pretty mild to shoot. Not near the recoil of the factory 300 grainers. Thanks for the tip on this load. It should work well for varmit and small game and I bet it would drop a deer as well. I got a couple new powders to work up some loads that are about 1400 fps. The wind came up and I had to quit before I could expirment any more. I am making some good headway with my 44 Mag and 45-70 Handi rifles. Next is a new 30-30. I quess I will be adding a 223 barrel or a new Handi 223. The other day some jerk lifted mine from my truck.