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Offline oso lento

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Coyotes with mange
« on: December 13, 2003, 04:08:30 AM »
I don't really understand mange. This year i've caught a higher percentage of coyotes with mange. like over 35%. last year it was closer to 20% why does it differ from year to year? could anyone explain it to me? I've also heard and think that the coyote population is down. My guess is that the mange being up has killed them off, but it has not been that cold to kill many off. just would like to know more about it.
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Mange
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2003, 05:38:43 PM »
Mange is spread  among yotes fm other infected yotes... It has been said that  when a  yote or fox   dies that if  another   unifected yote doesnt come in contact with it before the body cools off that the mites die and  cannot spread the disease.   If the yote parents have mange then all the  offspring will have and  gradually will die off..  If anybody else has information or scientific studies to draw upon, please post so we   all  can draw fm the info.

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2003, 06:47:16 PM »
I’ve seen a number of posts dealing with diseases found in furbearers.  Mange is often the topic of these threads and all too often is misunderstood.  Now Ole RdFx has touched on the basics and I’ll try to elaborate a bit in the hopes of clarifying things for those interested.

Mange is a parasitic disease caused by an infestation with mites.  Mites are Arachnids (spider like) which live IN the skin.  The distinction between an infestation and infection is important in the natural history of the mite and disease (I’ll get to this point in a minute).  

Mites have a rather specific host range.  This means that mites can complete their life cycles only in certain animals…fox mites in fox, coyote mites in coyotes and at least some domestic dogs, etc. etc.  For the clinical condition know as mange to occur the mites, must be able to complete their cycle in the host upon which they are living.  Think of this as a self perpetuating community...a few mites too millions.

Mites can survive and complete portions of their life cycles in / on "non-primary" hosts.  In this state, minor kinds of skin lesions appear, mange does not develop and the infestation is self limiting.  However these secondary hosts can serve as a reservoir for the mites and thereby provide a link between primary host animals (a rat may harbor the mite for coyotes and transmit the mite to the coyote that, for example, dines on said rat).  

Normal man (healthy immuno-competent individuals) are “non-primary” hosts for mites and therefore do not develop mange or any sort of severe disorder…the infestation is self limiting.

Because mites do not invade deep tissues (cause an infestation) as   bacteria, viruses and fungi do (infectious agents) they do not “fall prey” to the acquired immune defense mechanisms of the host, at least in the same ways infectious agents do.  This feature is why, in primary hosts, mange is most often fatal…the primary host has no effective defense.  Likewise, “non-primary” hosts are, by definition, immune to the fatal effects of an uninhibited infestation.  It is unclear what specific mechanisms are involved in the “immunity” observed in “non-primary” hosts.  However, it is clear that an intact immune response is, or can be involved since in immuno-compromised humans (AIDS patients) mite infestations can be fatal.

Mites, being obligate parasites and exothermic (“cold blooded”), die rapidly in the absence of the warmth and nutritional sources provided by a living host.   Once the corps cools the mites die rapidly and the rate of death of the mite increases with decreasing ambient temperatures.  Sooooo, if you get a mangy critter, once dead and cold the mites too are dead.  Also, you MAY get infested with mites during handling of such an animal but the extent of the infestation will be minor, and limited to skin lesions that will go away on their own in all but those that have a compromised immune defense mechanism.

Hope this helps some.

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Great informative post
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2003, 01:50:41 AM »
Wacky thanks for the intensive informative post.  I think you should post this on Trapperman for information as alot of trappers myself included didnt know the exact particulars of the scourge of mange.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 03:54:45 AM »
Although I'm not a trapper I found this post very informative, thanks for the great write up!
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2003, 10:41:53 AM »
Thanks for the info! Mange is a very devistating disease among wild fur bearers. A trapping friend of mine said it is running wild in Northern WI. He said he caught 9 yotes this fall, 8 of which had mange. He said to help slow the spread, euthanize the animal and then hang it up in a tree high enough so other furbearers cant get at them. The birds will take care of the carcas.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2004, 10:53:36 AM »
I was down in Maypearl selling my fur a couple of months ago, and was telling the fur buyer old Al about a vision I had while in a coma after  being murdered.  I saw old Cotton Joe, he was my walker hound and was killed by the same Hall brothers who killed me.  It was a beautiful and moving experiance. And it made me think of mr Yote as a dog, the ultimate dog. Nobody feeds them or takes them to the vet. Two out of three have mange, heartworms and such must make their lives very short. However they are still here! Fast, strong and tough as ever.  They don't want any help!
                  I was telling old Al that to not trap Coyotes because I love them is not trapping. It is just being an exterminator, Coyotes are the ultimate game to trap, and as such taught me everything I know. Even a coon is a fine critter and a lot of fun to run down with my hounds and kill,they can put up an incredably good fight!  and is a waste just to catch in a trap like a rat.  I had rather run through the woods all night blowing my horn and listening to the dogs. Build a fire and skin mr Coon while the dogs work out the thicket. Maybe brew some tea and bake a sliced up potato wrapped in tin foil, some Coon cooked on a green stick,  Thats the life.
                   So I had an idea...  I will try to keep every Coyote that is mangy and whose fur in of no value and dip them and let them go.
I remember bringing one home back in the old days but he died on a chain, way out back away from my house, I guess he just couldn't live on a chain and that made me love them even more.  I was going to dip him and he never even made two days till I could get to him.  So I don't know how this idea will work out but it would make me feel better about skinning the good ones, and just may do some good.
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