Thanks Lloyd, I,m not worried about dirtyin up my gun like you said it dont take much time to clean her up. just thinking I may not be gettin my moneys worth out of the 2400 I should have checked it to make sure it was unburned or just residue. Maybe there wasnt enough in there to get a good burn cause my heavy XTP and GoldDot loads dont leave that much residue. thanks again I respect your opinions,Larry