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Offline vhunter

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« on: May 05, 2004, 12:10:29 PM »
How do the TC Encore barrels rate to the custom barrels?

Who makes the best custom barrels?

How many Encore barrels do you have and which one is your favorite caliber and lenght?

I have a 375 H&H that shoots really good but I am still trying to find the best load.

I owned a 223 24" blue barrel that didn't shoot to good but the 270 barrel  shot good. I am thinking about adding more barrles to my Encore and only have the 375 H&H now.

Should I continue with TC or buy custom + What TC calibers should I stay away from. Thanks!! :-D

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2004, 03:43:22 PM »
Speaking for myself, I have had absolutely no problems with factory TC barrels.  The accuracy that I have achieved has been satisfying to me for all of the barrels that I have.  I currently own 4 barrels, and have sold a fifth.  All of the calibers I have, .223, .22-250 (unfired), .243, and 209x50 all shoot great.  My stainless .223 26" heavy with a nikon 4x14x40 is my favorite, I've shot a couple of ragged hole 5 shot groups at 100 yards.  Good luck..... :D
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2004, 11:29:23 AM »
For a few dollars above factory prices, Fox Ridge will custom build one for you that has a better accuracy guarantee, plus other features that you may or may not want (tapped for sights vs no iron sights, etc.)  I'm not sure if they perform any and all of the options (fluting, etc) that the other do.

Most folks here on this forum rave about the Virgin Valley, Bullberry, and SSK barrels.  I'll bet they are great as well, but they do cost more than Fox Ridge.

My only encore barrel to date is a 2nd hand pistol barrel built by Fox Ridge and it is a real shooter.  So much so that they will be my choice for a rifle barrel in the near future.

Expect to wait 10-12 weeks in most cases.

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2004, 06:32:59 PM »
Fox Ridge barrels are wonderful :-D  as long as you don't mind not knowing where the rifling starts. I have 2 Fox Ridge barrels so don't tell me how great they are. Both have ridiculously long throats and Fox ridge said there was nothing wrong with them. The COAL of my .350 Rem Mag is 3.040" with a 225 gr Ballistic Tip. NOt bad for a round with a SAAMI spec of 2.850 right?

Fox Ridge guarantees accuracy? I doubt it. I would like to see the guarantee. I paid for my 2 Fox Ridge Barrels but they won't get my money again. From what I hear MBM is where I'll go next time.

BTW, Fox Ridge barrels are no different than the standard Encore barrel. They don't use a better quality blank or even pick through. The only differences are chamberings, contours, and finish. Sean

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2004, 05:45:41 PM »
Sean

So what is the accuracy of those two barrels?  I agree the Fox Ridge Barrels are just factory barrels in non factory calibers.  I have a bunch of factory barrels and I could not tell you what the throat length is in any of them.  I load to the COL in the reloading manual and get MOA accuracy out of all the calibers that should and darn good accuracy out of the others(some calibers are never going to be MOA out of any gun).  From all my years of reloading, seating the bullet close to the rifling has the least of affect on accuracy of anything I have ever tried.  So in my opinion, throat lenght is not a sign of a bad barrel, how they shoot is the bottom line.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2004, 06:10:52 PM »
When factory loads won't shoot on a pie plate because the bullet has too long a jump to the rifling, that is a problem. I guess that benchrest shooters seat into the lands because they like to, not because it effects accuracy, right? Let me tell you, loading to SAAMI OAL in these barrels doesn't work. Don't tell me what does and doesn't work for accurate loads in these barrels. Enough said. Sean

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2004, 08:28:46 PM »
Sean,
Can you make your point without the attitude?  Just an observation.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2004, 03:50:02 AM »
I didn't think that my post was that bad. Just trying to point out that Fox Ridge does a very poor job of chambering barrels. This topic was started to give opinions on the various custom barrel makers. I stated that I wouldn't buy another barrel from Fox Ridge. Gave my experiences with them and told of the faults I found with their barrels that I paid for. This is not second hand knowledge or "I read it on the 'net" stuff. I have cut enough chambers to know a good one from a bad one.

Somewhere on this forum from last spring is a topic I posted with the problems I encountered with the .350 barrel. I included measurements taken from fired and unfired brass. I will see if I can dig it up. Please read that post if I find it. Sean

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2004, 03:58:38 AM »
Here is a copy of the post I made over a year ago about my .350 Rem Mag barrel:

"I finally fired a few rounds (factory 200 gr) through my new 350 Rem Mag Encore Custom Shop Barrel. There are a few things that bother me about the fired brass and I wanted to get some opinions on whether there is a problem and if I should send the barrel back.
First, in front of the belt at the Pressure Ring the case is pretty shiny. It also measures an expansion of .008". When I was in Gunsmithing school I think our instructor used a figure of .006" as max. expansion. If it was over that we had to cut and start over. I may be wrong on that figure but I am pretty sure it is right (what we went by in school anyway).
Second, the brass stretched .012" (by measuring a loaded factory round) and a fired brass. Also, by an eyeball measurement it looks to me like .010" of that stretch occurred from the belt to the shoulder. Like I said these were eyeball measurements using my dial caliper as a depth mike but I measure in .0001" for 8 hours a day so I feel pretty confident that these numbers are real close to accurate.
Third, there is almost no way I can come close to the lands even with a 225 Nosler B-Tip and have what I feel to be reasonable case neck grip (say one caliber in the neck). I took a brand new case that I had FL sized and put a B-Tip in and snapped the gun closed and the overall length was 3.310". That seems way to long to me even for T/C (my Custom Shop .250 Savage barrel allows an OAL .050" longer than the Nosler manual with a 100 gr B-Tip and you might as well forget touching the lands on my regular production 22-250 barrel. But, I have found loads that shoot extremely well through them). I did the same as above with a 250 gr Speer in the case with the point of the bullet in the case, and the length from the base of the case to the flat base of the bullet was only 2.475".
So, I guess my questions come down to: Should I send the barrel back and ask T/C to replace it? Could this become dangerous (case head seperation) even if I am very careful not to set the shoulder back? Is there anyway to "fireform" the brass to reduce this body stretch? Like maybe seating some inverted bullets into the lands and firing with a moderate to low end load? (Maybe a dumb idea)"

This topic is in the gunsmithing forum, under "Brass and Chamber Question". As you can see I took some pretty in depth measurements of the brass. When this barrel came back to me from Fox Ridge without even a note of any kind I wasn't very happy. I was also told that they had to handload the ammo to test fire this gun with. That makes me wonder what they used for a handload. Sean

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2004, 05:41:29 PM »
I guess I whacked that hornets nest pretty good and was not even trying.  I have shared my opinion and that is all am going to do.