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Offline sureshot2040

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i need help!!!!
« on: May 15, 2004, 02:56:12 PM »
i got a .243 handi with a 24 heavy barrel
i have tried three different scopes, four different loads, two factory and two handloads and the gun still wont group!!
what gives??
i have used remington factory 100 grain bullets
federal premium 70 grainers
hornady 95 grain bullets with 40 grains of h4350
winchester moly coated silver balistic tiped 95 grain bullets with 38.5 grains of h4350.
they start out doing ok seems like then they start shooting everywhere
no specific grouping
or sometimes they will put two in almost one hole then the third one will be 3 or 4 inches away i have the scope locktited down so i dont think it is moving
i tell ya, if it dont straighten up real soon it's gonna be gone
any information anyone can give me to help me out on this would be greatly appreciated
thanks,
sureshot

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2004, 04:18:29 PM »
I have a Handi 243 heavy barrel. It hates 100gr. bullets but loves 80 gr. Have you floated the barrel? Let the barrel cool down between shots? I'm sure since you reload that you know how to make a gun shoot so please don't be offended by my questions. If all else fails I'll send you my addy and you can ship that Handi to me :grin:

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2004, 04:20:28 PM »
Severql things can be going on, and all of them at once too, so as you make changes, do one change and then shoot the gun enough to see how that actually helped, or made no difference. I have four of these and have been through a good bit getting them to shoot.

Canting....... this is where we hold the gun at different angles at each shot fired. You must be certian that each thime the trigger releases, the sights are not only on target, but the crosshairs are vertical/horizontal each time. Having high blood pressure, I watch the scope move around every beat of my heart. It is interesting to feel the trigger release, and know that shot is off

Gun rest....again, be sure that the gun is rested in the same position on your bags each shot. I shoot using two folded towels over a fire brick for a forearm rest. With eash session, the towels are somewhat fluffy, and as I begin to shoot the stray shots will begin to fall away. The more I shoot, the more the gun compacts itself into a groove in the towel and the better the gun shoots. I took long ago to striking the towels with the edge of my hand to get a compacted groove started in them

Trigger quality.....Factory NEF triggers have no quality, unless it is the quality of awful. Get a trigger job done or do it yourself. (www.perkloafm.com) for do it yourself instructions. Mine brea at about 3 pounds (maybe a teensy bit lighter) and most days I wish they were lighter than that. For most purposes though, 3 pounds is as light as needed, 4 pounds might be better. But it must be crisp and clean with no creep, very attainable with the NEF lockwork.

It sounds as though you've addressed the scope mounting.

Some suggest an o ring in the forearm bolt hole between the forearm and barrel to create a free floating barrel. I didn't care for the free floating forearm I got using that solution. Perhaps a better answer would be to cut out a rubber washer from a bicycle inner tube that fits over the forearm screw lug, but lies against the lug shoulder to creat a bit of free space. My personal solutio has been to take a rasp to the hole in the forearm and open it a little, then tighten the forearm screw ONLY snug against the forearm. My  forearms will actually move a teensy bit. Not rattling loose, just not binding anywhere.

Many have complained of getting poor groups with the 243 and 90-100 grain bullets. Start with some lighteer bullets and see what you get. GO SLOW. Take another rifle with you and shoot a round form your NEF and then a round or two from your other. givethe barrel time to cool between shots. The heavy barrel takes a bit to heat up, easy to fire 3 or 4 off before you notice heat build up, if then. It will take as long or longer to cool the barrel back down.

Now obviously if you are out prarie dog shootin' the action can be fast and furious, but to get to an accurate load, may take a bit slower approach.

Finally. a friend of mine has the synthetic stock and standard weight barrel version in 243. Haven't shot the gun at over 75 yards yet, but it did show great promise. His trigger needs work though before much else can be decided. Ihoe this will help to give you a direction in your quest for accuracy.

I believe it was Townsend Whelen that said "only accurate rifles are interesting" If that is true, then why do I spend all my time shooting my inaccurate rifles????
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2004, 05:31:00 PM »
I would try the sierra 85 gr. bthp match with 38.5 grs. of IMR 4350 as a starting load. I've never heard of a 243 that would not shoot with these bullets.  Digger
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2004, 11:47:12 PM »
I have to agree with OL' Ditch Digger, Sierra 85 HPBT is great in
the 243, but I use ample dose of IMR 4320, close to max load.
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