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« on: April 18, 2004, 08:29:31 PM »
I am compiling a list of stupid things people have said in the gun shop since I've started working there.  I only have two so far, but I am sure I'll be able to add more as time goes by.  Maybe you remember some?

1)  "I need a gun.  I am going to kill some sumbitch."
2) "Don't mind me.  I've had a few drinks this morning."
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2004, 08:51:55 PM »
3)  "This is a stickup !!"


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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2004, 08:09:35 AM »
"I'm a communist"

"I think Volvos are much better than Chevys"

"I voted for Diane Feinstein in the last election"

"I think guns should be banned"

"I hate the U.S. armed forces"

"I think taxes are way too low"

(or any other utterance of a modern-day democrat)

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2004, 04:24:43 PM »
My buddy has a 3 1/2 in 20 ga. :)

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2004, 04:02:29 AM »
"I can get that rifle cheaper at XXXmart."
"I have no use for a pistol that small."
"Why would anybody want a gun like that?"
"What were they thinking when they made that gun?"
"How many shots does it hold?"
"Do you actually shoot that thing?"
"Anybody here still go hunting?"
"Somebody parked an old junk pick-up truck in front of the door."
"Ahh, it's good to see there's no women or children in here."
"That's one bad re-blue job on that gun."
"What idiot re-finished that stock?"
"That caliber ain't good for anything."
"Well, I wouldn't shoot it so I'll give it to my wife."
"Why would anyone want a single-shot rifle?"
"How do you melt lead?"
"Where does the clip go on that tubefeed rifle?"
"Does that pistol come with a clip?"
"I don't want that one, I want one that's new in the box."
"Do you sell many of these things?"
"Where's your cheap ammo?"
"What's on sale now?"
"What"s the caliber of that .22 rifle?"
"Where can I buy gunpowder?"
"This thing's a piece of crap."
"I'll take this rifle if you put a front site on it and take off the scope."
"Where's the cheapest gun you've got?"
"What? There's no holster with that rifle?"
"Looks like a butcher worked on that stock."
"I know, I know, last time I was in here I said I'd never shop here again."
 "Hey, why can't I get any service here?"
The list goes on. I've heard these things in the gun shop.  :-D

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2004, 05:46:53 PM »
Wow!  What a list!  After reading it, I felt like I went back to work and came home after a long day! *laughing*
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2004, 01:55:58 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 02:33:04 PM »
In NY State...it's: I'm in favor of Hillary & Schumer!!
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 03:01:12 PM »
Since the employees of the gun shop I frequent the most often carry openly during business hours I think the worst thing anyone could possibly say would be.......................

FIRE!

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 04:03:44 PM »
A "city guy"came into the local sporting goods store the first Saturday of deer season about 15 years ago and said he wanted 4 or 5 more boxes of slugs (shotgun only state), then added " There sure are a lot of deer around here, I have gotten over a dozen "sound shots" already and I'll get a deer before the days done". When the clerk, my friend, asked him what he meant by "sound shot", he answered, "you know, when you can hear the deer moving in the brush but you can't see it".  My friend raised his voice qiute a bit, called the "city guy" a few choice names and ordered him out of the store and suggested he leave the area, permanantly! The city guy left hastily but to this day I don't know if he understood why my friend and the others in the store got so irate :x  :x  :x  at him....<><.... :shock:
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 06:15:26 PM »
This isn't about anything that was said in a gun store, but while I was at the range one time a Jacksonville Sheriff's Deputy came to get in some practice with his .40 S&W Glock but wasn't able to load his magazine. I wandered over to see if I could help. Sure enough, he had brought a box of 10mms and couldn't understand why they didn't fit. I carefully explained his miscalculation and sent him into the range's shop to get some of the correct cartridges.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2004, 03:45:55 AM »
Hey GB, how about opening up a LEO forum?  

Honestly Brian, do you really expect us to believe that an LEO could be so unfamiliar with his firearm and ammunition?  *laugh*
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2004, 03:48:10 AM »
Quote from: MSP Ret
A "city guy"came into the local sporting goods store the first Saturday of deer season about 15 years ago and said he wanted 4 or 5 more boxes of slugs (shotgun only state), then added " There sure are a lot of deer around here, I have gotten over a dozen "sound shots" already and I'll get a deer before the days done". When the clerk, my friend, asked him what he meant by "sound shot", he answered, "you know, when you can hear the deer moving in the brush but you can't see it".  My friend raised his voice qiute a bit, called the "city guy" a few choice names and ordered him out of the store and suggested he leave the area, permanantly! The city guy left hastily but to this day I don't know if he understood why my friend and the others in the store got so irate :x  :x  :x  at him....<><.... :shock:



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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2004, 06:00:43 AM »
Quote from: BamBams
Hey GB, how about opening up a LEO forum?  

Honestly Brian, do you really expect us to believe that an LEO could be so unfamiliar with his firearm and ammunition?  *laugh*


It is for true - honest! I've seen some LEOs that are so inept that they defy description. I once saw a LEO at the range at qualification time who couldn't hit the target paper from three yards from his weak side. I've seen a cop chick (and not a newbie) who didn't know where to insert the shells to load her shotgun - the instructor had to do it for her. I've heard of another in Indiana who had an AD in a school assembly.

I was coaching a new deputy in Jacksonville who told me he never received any training in draw and fire techniques. I don't know if this is true of LE training throughout the country, but it does not speak well for the areas I am familiar with.

When LEOs screws up with his/her firearm, the media and "activists" come down real hard on the oficer/officers, but they really ought to look long and hard at the level of training the politicians in the PDs provide. There's where the blame really lies. There's just no excuse for sending LEOs out to the streets without providing them with the very best training and skills possible. Maybe they should adopt programs like the one at GunSite to make available to the LEOs the skills they need to protect both themselves and the public. Sure, it might cost a little more, but, as the liberals are fond of saying, "If it saves just one life ..."

Sorry for getting so serious in this otherwise humorous thread, but I just had to get it off my chest.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2004, 07:43:55 AM »
Hey, I was only kidding!  Hehe

I've seen it also, and it also is a concern of mine as well -- especially as a CCW permitteeeeee.  For example, I can't carry into banks, the post office, school property, etc.  Yet an LEO can.  Oh well, I didn't take an oath to protect and serve, but it IS in my nature anyway.  I am really kinda ticked off about this tiered society we seem to be slowly creating in America.
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2004, 09:28:33 AM »
Quote from: BamBams
Hey, I was only kidding!  Hehe


 :D I figured that, but it did give me a chance to spout off on a sore subject with me. Sorry!

By the way, you've really accomplished a heck of a lot in your short two years of life. A real prodigy you are.  :)  :)
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2004, 11:01:24 AM »
The range I frequent rents the facilities to various law enforcement agencys throughout the summer so they can train and qualify. This is a good thing I think as I'd rather an officer be a good shot than not. Much better the officer be able to shoot the bad guy and not shoot the good guy (ME) who is tangled up with the bad guy!

Last year I was talking with an officer at the range and he told me that during qualifying one of his fellow officers couldn't hit the target with a shotgun!

While I'm sure this isn't the norm it somehow does NOT inspire my confidence!   :shock:  :shock:
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2004, 04:33:51 AM »
Fellas, all that being said the best, or worst case scenario I can think of for having police officers well trained in the use of firearms comes from Albany, NY just before the beginning of 2004.

Two Albany Police Officers chased and cornered a drunken driver who attempted to use his vehicle to run down one of the officers while he was trying to make an escape.  Both officers fired at the car, but one hit an innocent bystander, killing him.  The driver got away, but was later captured.  

And Bikenut:  "The range I frequent rents the facilities to various law enforcement agencys throughout the summer so they can train and qualify. This is a good thing I think as I'd rather an officer be a good shot than not. Much better the officer be able to shoot the bad guy and not shoot the good guy (ME) who is tangled up with the bad guy!" - You're absolutely right.  That is what should have happened in Albany.

But, unfortunately too many elected politically oriented police chiefs don't think the use of civilian ranges is a good thing - don't want too many 'citizens' (I hate it when they so arrognatly use that word - who the hay do they think they, or we are?) knowing what's in the police armory or teaching my officers any 'tricks'.  But, they are willing to allow their officers to go sufficiently untrained long enough to either spray a magazine full around a crowded city street or to shoot up the innocent bystanders.  

I am actually afraid to get a t-shirt that identifies me as an innocent bystander - that's as bad a wearing a bullseye target on your back in this neck of the woods.  

I remember a number of years ago my attorney and I went out to a police range with a couple of town officers for an afternoon of pistol work.  While there they brought out a Sten gun that was issued to the department (what the hay for????).  Anyhow, their favorite trick was to shoot from the hip and it was incredible the amount of ammo they expended walking the rounds into the target before they got into any 'disabling hits'.  I asked them why they shot from the hip and they both replied - that's how we've seen it done in training films (hooooo boy!!!).

I then showed them what the rear stock was for, how to switch the piece to semi-auto, and how to use the front sight.  Dang, wouldja believe 5 K-zone hits in 5 shots..............  I got to keep all the fired brass for my efforts and still have a bucket full for reloading.  A win-win situation all the way around, but regrettably only on a very small scale.  Mikey.

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2004, 05:20:52 AM »
Mikey? Maybe I'm all wrong but your post jiggled something in my mind......

Perhaps there is a misconception going on. That of the average citizen expecting police officers to be proficient in firearm use. We expect them to be very proficient and accurate with any firearm they use. However, police officers are only human too and are only as good as the training they receive. Government officials who skimp on training programs in order to save money or to further their own phobias about guns are short changing the police by not making the best possible training available. Not only are the police short changed but the public is also short changed because those we look to, the police, to be proficient with a gun in a dire situation........ aren't. Not because the individual cop is a dolt but because they weren't given the best training.

And it isn't just the police who aren't getting the needed training. Citizens with CCW's don't have much to choose from for affordable needed training either. I don't mean classroom training but actual shooting training that mimics real life situations. Most CCW range sessions involve teaching a person to stand still, take the time to acquire the front sight, then shoot at a stationary target. In short, this training teaches a person to stand and be a very good target for the bad guy to shoot at while giving the bad guy lots of time to shoot while the good guy is busy trying to get the sights on the bad guy.

All this stuff is, in my opinion anyway, a direct result of the current attitude that guns are BAAAAD! and every possible roadblock for their purchase/use should be employed. Training? Can't have that, not even for police, because it implies that guns are acceptable.

Also, in my opinion, this "attitude" is a very sorry state of affairs!
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2004, 06:10:32 AM »
I guess I kinda moved this thread in a new direction. Something Bikenut said caught my attention, that part about not enough actual shooting training available for civilians. It is true that CCW training requires only that one be safe with a firearm, but, if one wanted more realistic training, all one would have to do is request same from the instructor - at additional expense. If that instructor was not prepared to render such training, the NRA will provide information as to another instructor in one's area.

And, while it is not quite the same as one on one instruction, there are plenty of books and videos available.

Further, for those who can afford the time and money, there are training courses available at such fine institutions as GunSite.

As to my expectations regarding police proficiency with their firearms, I have very little of that. Let me get this clear, I have a great deal of respect, even affection, for LEOs. I don't hold it against them that the political animals who run most police agencies do not provide adequate training - and then try to hold the LEOs responsible when the excreta hits the ventilator. Either that, or some "civilian review board" socks it to them. I just love those "civilian review boards." What we have is a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing about law enforcement passing judgement on LEO actions. It's just another symptom of liberal politicizing of law enforcement. Would anyone tolerate it if decisions about their heart surgery were left up to laymen without medical knowledge? Here's a thought. Why don't we put all potential CRB candidates through a Hogan's Alley course of fire and reject any who couldn't pass. Why should those who cannot do it be in a position to judge those who have to face such situations in the course of their duties?

I know, I'm just dreaming here; it'll never happen! Not while politics runs the show.

We expect LEOs to hit the streets every day/night and put their a$$ses on the line for us - and then second guess their every move with our 20-20 hindsight. As long as the top cops are political appointees, then the situation is not likely to change.
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2004, 08:04:26 AM »
Bikenut, Fla Brian - fellas, it looks and sounds like we should throw the police chiefs and members of the citizen review boards into the same hole as 'government officials' - all seem to be politically motivated and unrealistic with only their own agenda to further.  It's a shame that we don't have solid, reputable police leadership on the streets where we need it, because we're certainly not going to find it in the membership of a citizens review board or in the chief's coffee klatch.  Mikey.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2004, 10:17:56 AM »
You got that right!

Hmmmm, throw 'em in a hole? I like the sound of that. Think we can get them on a cheap charter flight to Calcutta?

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2004, 01:26:18 PM »
Gentlemen. I have a few thoughts i would like to throw in the pot also. when i was a young man growing up in the state of New Mexico 90 percent
of the people had and shot some sort of firearms and you never heard of some of this crap that go's on today. Each one of you hit on different parts
of the problems. I think the mandatory draft might be in order. I don't think it would do any harm and it would get some of trouble makers off the street and teach responsibility, which is in demand in these times. I know without a doubt i will get a responce from this idea, But look at the swiss
people they have to do a two year stint in the army and when they get through they take their weapons home, and you don't hear any bad reports from over there. Just an idea. and yes i have been in law enforcement, But it was a long time back,, Sure wouldent want to do it today, Not in this climate today. Good luck to you all.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2004, 09:23:22 AM »
I know this will date me, but before I got into LE, I was watching a Dirty Harry movie, where Harry goes to the pistol range to practice, and finds a bunch of rookies there already.  Harry asks them if they have regular range times during the day, and a VERY young Robert Urich says, "You shouldn't be on the streets these days if you can't shoot."
That made a lot of sense to me, and when I put on a badge, I made sure my shooting skills were all they could be.  I shot a ton of practice, and every police match I could find.

Then came the 90's, tighter budgets, political correctness, etc.  And when the administrators started cutting back, the first thing that got chopped was the training budget.  Qualification  was trimmed from every sixty days to once a year, and scores plummeted.  (Administrators blamed it on the new guns, Beretta 9's, which were plenty accurate.)  

But aside from a few of us, most cops just don't care about shooting and such, as long as they pass the qualification.  The same cops who whine about having to take the Defensive Tactics classes that may someday save a life.  Maybe their own.


I've been on the qualification range in the last year, and stood next to people on the firing line who were putting holes in MY target because they were never taught to shoot properly.  How they passed qualification is beyond me.  

The scariest part is that if I get into a shooting situation, some of these idiots are my backup!   :eek:

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2004, 08:07:41 AM »
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