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Offline K2

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"Readily Available" equipment, what does this mean
« on: May 21, 2004, 06:53:20 AM »
Yesterday I read a post that the winner of a new MOA pistol at the 2003 International still was waiting to get the prize.  

MOA's are great pistols if you have ever shot one you most likely would agree with that.  However for a gun to be a production gun it was supposed to be readily available to the public.  

Does a one year wait from order to actually getting the gun seem readily available to you?  

If the MOA wasn't so good it probably wouldn't matter but the guns most likely to win freestyle production according to Joe Tesmers articles are the MOA's and the BF's.  Why is easily understandable, both are falling block actions, about a stiff as you can get without a bolt action, and both have excellent sights, triggers and barrels.  Eben has been working on reducing the time between order and delivery on the BF's but it is still a wait.  

Do you think this wait time is detrimental to recruiting new members?  After all if you have a newby show up in May and he has to wait until next season before he can get a new "top gun" this might be discouraging.

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not a deterrent to new shooters
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2004, 10:52:17 AM »
No, it is not a deterrent. Most newbys do not have the ability their first year of shooting to take advantage of the upgraded equiptment. If they stick with the game and after getting to try the upscale production guns, they will decide if they need or want a MOA or a BF. I think there have been very, very few first year shooters who go to their first Internationals and win a Production class.

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Re: not a deterrent to new shooters
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2004, 11:08:08 AM »
HI Steve

That is probably true as far as it goes but there are few 1st year members that go to the International also percentage wise.  At the International match there are generally more MOA's and BF's being shot as a percentage of the attendees than at most local matches also.  

Getting to try an upscale production gun can be tough depending on location.  I have tried both the MOA's and BF's and they are nice guns.  Only got to try them out of state though.  
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No, it is not a deterrent. Most newbys do not have the ability their first year of shooting to take advantage of the upgraded equiptment. If they stick with the game and after getting to try the upscale production guns, they will decide if they need or want a MOA or a BF. I think there have been very, very few first year shooters who go to their first Internationals and win a Production class.

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"Readily Available" equipment, wh
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2004, 07:11:25 AM »
I don't really think it is a problem. Most new guys probably never heard of an MOA. They may get to try one at a match, but they probably won't be ready for a new gun for awhile, unless they have already committed to shooting steel and have the funds to upgrade. Despite the wait, they are many MOA's on the market that can be purchased right away.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2004, 08:45:45 AM »
In some state such as California that new gun may never be "available" due to regulations.  This is a standard Fabian tactic used by the anti gunners where they can in states without the Right to Keep and Bear Arms written into the state's constitution.  California and Maryland don't and are the first to go to the silly drop the gun onto concrete so called "safety tests".  most likely only the mass producers will be the only ones that will pay for this type of silly testing as they sell enough guns to cover the cost.  
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I don't really think it is a problem. Most new guys probably never heard of an MOA. They may get to try one at a match, but they probably won't be ready for a new gun for awhile, unless they have already committed to shooting steel and have the funds to upgrade. Despite the wait, they are many MOA's on the market that can be purchased right away.