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« on: May 21, 2004, 05:04:40 PM »
Some some one posted a refernce to using ornamental iron and alumimum balls for shot.

Who ever posted could you repost here I can't find the original post.

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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2004, 06:12:16 PM »
DD - I couldn't find the thread/poster but I think this is the source you're looing for:

http://www.argentsteel.com/catalog/balls.asp
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2004, 02:07:32 AM »
that's it, thank you sir!

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2004, 02:10:22 PM »
DD...I took a look at that web site (Argent Steel) and was interested in the forged round/smooth balls myself and if you ever locate any ALUMINUM balls, please let me know.  I don't believe the aluminum would go as far as iron/steel, but they would certainly reduce the amount of pressure necessary to get them started out the tube.  Also, I sent you an e-mail just today regarding some pictures I have ready to send to you.  Just wanted to make certain that you did received that e-mail...Thanks, Blaster (Bob in CO)
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2004, 03:54:07 AM »
Howdy, Ya'll. I  wanted to tell you that I have purchased forged iron smooth balls from these guys.They look great--BUT!---everyone needs to be cautious-they are NOT perfectly concentric.I haven't shot any yet but for my 2.5" mortar I got 2 5/16" balls,I wanted PLENTY of windage.They should each be checked. I have been lookin' for ball bearings that have much closer tolerances but haven't found any reasonably priced.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2004, 09:44:12 AM »
What I have decided to do is buy some 6 pdr balls from Paulsen Bros. http://www.pbocorp.biz/ammo.htm and have my mortar bored out to fit.  It's a just a little to big for my lathe.

The bore will be 3.67 and the ball will be 3.58





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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2004, 12:44:36 PM »
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I have been lookin' for ball bearings that have much closer tolerances but haven't found any reasonably priced.


Exactly.  I found a 4.5" ball bearing - but it was $104 wholesale.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2004, 02:36:29 PM »
Balls from ball mills might be the right size. There are different size ball mills, and as they wear out, they get smaller. Not always concentrically smaller, though. But if you have a friend who works in a place with a ball mill, the price would probably be good, as the balls for such things don't have to be made to as close specs as bearings. As to aluminum balls, check out  the "webring" a group of backyard metal casters. Aluminum is a very easy metal to handle in a molten state, and sand molds are economical. Not that you can't blow your head off in the process, but having just gotten out of  an aluminum foundry, I can tell you balls wouldn't be a big problem to cast.

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2004, 02:56:40 PM »
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... but having just gotten out of  an aluminum foundry, I can tell you balls wouldn't be a big problem to cast.


Zinc is approximately the same mass as iron.  I've not had good luck in casting them into spheres.  In your experience is aluminum easier to use?  We had problems with variation in size and irregular shrinkage.
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2004, 08:50:33 AM »
I hate zinc. Made me sick everytime I melted it. But if you do, drink milk first. It helps. Since it has the same mass as iron, you may consider it worth your while. It does shrink bad, though. So make sure your ball cavity is well below where you intend to pour the zinc. Large feed hole and large risers, and fill it to the top. Aluminum is not nearly as difficult; sets up faster, and can be made hard or soft, depending on your alloy. Pop cans are nearly pure, and soft. Auto parts have a high iron content, and are much harder, stronger, and easier to machine. But temperatures much over 1300 make it harder to pour. Aluminum will shrink, and the bigger the ball, the more chance. Pour quickly and fill your mold to avoid shrink cavities. It will shrink, anyhow, so if you start with bore size, it won't be by the time you get finished. And you'll get a lot more balls to the pound.Avoid anything wet or cold coming into contact with the metal, or it will go off like a stick of dynamite!