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1894CL .32 H&R
« on: March 11, 2004, 01:17:39 PM »
was recently advertised (but I was too late).  Seller wouldn't talk much but did say it was original Marlin and so marked.  Had half mag and 22" barrel.  Even had 2 boxes of 90gr Fed lead loads with it (Fed never loaded 32-20).  Was this an uncataloged item?  One off?  Anyone ever cross paths with one?

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2004, 06:03:19 PM »
Actually, the 32/20 was produced in an 1894 a few years back but the 32 H&R in an 1894 is due to be released for the first time later this summer. Personally, I would rather have the 32 H&R since 32 longs will most likely cycle through the action like 357 mags and 38 specials do in the same gun. The 32/20 in an 1894 was a catalog item but only produced for a few years if that long. I wish Marlin would also make a 25/20 in the 1894 too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2004, 09:14:57 AM »
Well aware of the 94CB coming out, without a loading gate, but I was asking about the 94CL.  Know a fair amount about them since I have the 25/20 and 32/20.  Just never wanted the 218 Bee.  I know the 32 H&R was never cataloged.  Just trying to see if the existance of a 32H&R CL (proprietary or one-offs) could be verified.

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2004, 04:44:28 AM »
Blackhawk,
I don't think the owner knows what he has. To my knowledge, there never was an 1894CL in 32mag. Only 32-20, then 25-20 and 218bee.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2004, 03:02:29 AM »
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Blackhawk,
I don't think the owner knows what he has. To my knowledge, there never was an 1894CL in 32mag. Only 32-20, then 25-20 and 218bee.


That is the way I understand it too.

I have the 25/20 and would like a 32/20 but every time I find one it is priced too high.

I didn't know about this 32 H&R Mg. being introduced this summer--I want one.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2004, 07:27:04 AM »
GET BRACED !!   MSRP on 94CB,  $895.00.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2004, 09:51:01 AM »
I have a Marlin 92 in .32 CF/RF that takes two different firing pins to make the change over.  It is tube loaded like the model 39's are.  I got it to re-chamber it .32 S&W for my daughter to use with her Ruger .32's loaded for the same ammo. She's moving up to .38 specials in a Win. 92 this year so I'm going to sell the Marlin for what I paid for it if anyone is interested.  I need to get $700 for it.  Its in V.G. condition, bright bore and solid stocks.  Contact me at my e-mail if you're interested. <docrd@hotmail.com>

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H&R .410 rebarreled to .32 S&W Long
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2004, 05:14:27 AM »
If you can find a cheap .410 single-barrel shotgun you can have a .32 rifle barrel made from scratch for it and get away LOTS cheaper than buying one of the new Marlin Leverguns.

I had a pre-war H&R .410 single-shot which was built on the old tiny receiver, much nicer than the clunkers they sell now, and which I wasn't using much.  John Taylor at Taylor Machine produced a 26" long rifle barrel which interchanges with the .410 barrel, so that I still have use of the shotgun.  Cost was around $300, plus sights.  The gun weighs only 5-1/4 pounds and balances like a dream.

It's also VERY quiet with .32 S&W Long factory loads, like shooting standard velocity .22 LR in a typical sporter.   I went with the .32 S&W Long because these little revolvers have always been my favorite trail guns and in a strong gun there is little or no advantage to the .32 H&R Magnum.   The factory loads are "ordinary" but I get 2-inch groups at 50 yards with iron sights.  They are much more effective on small game and wild turkey than any .22 rimfire, but destroy less edible meat than a .22 Long Rifle HP or .22 WMR.

My favorite “.32 Long Rifle” loads use the Saeco #322, 120-gr. LFN .32-20 Winchester bullet, as-cast, of wheel weights, unsized, tumble lubed with Lee Liquid Alox.  The minimum load which safely exits the 26” rifle barrel every time is 1.2 grains of Bullseye.  This "silent but deadly" 450 f.p.s. BLOOP load, is seated out and crimped in the lube groove, so that the bullet engraves on the front end when the action is closed.   It’s essentially a “CB cap on steroids.”

The same bullet loaded with 1.8 grs. of Bullseye provides 850 f.p.s. in the rifle and 720 f.p.s. in my 4” S&W Model 31.  This is a full power revolver load at SAAMI pressures, but with its heavier FN bullet is much more effective than the usual 98-gr. LRN factory stuff. It still has a mild report, measured at 85-86dB, which compares to the “pop” of a Ruger 10/.22 with high speed .22 LR.

A heavy load which approximates the .32 H&R Magnum or .32-20 for use in modern post-war solid frame revolvers such as the post-war S&W Model 31, Ruger SP101 or Single Six or any other revolvers chambered for the .32 H&R Mag. Uses the Saeco #322 bullet with Federal 200 small rifle primers from 5.5 to 6.0 grains of Alliant #2400.  This significantly exceeds SAAMI pressures for the .32 S&W Long, but is safe in the Ruger revolvers and post-war .32 solid frames. It gives about 900 f.p.s. from a 4" revolver and 1200 f.p.s. in my .32 S&W Long rifle.  

If you decide to build one of these “American Rook Rifles” the chamber body dimensions should be minimum SAAMI, but you want a rifle-style throat with .314" diameter forcing cone entrance and 3 degree included angle origin of rifling. Rifling specs should be nominally the same as for the .32-20, .300 bore x .310 groove, with 16" twist, but if you have a slow twist .30 cal. rifle barrel, of 14" per turn or even a 20” twist .30 M1 carbine blank, this will also work fine.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2004, 12:35:55 PM »
Mr. Harris;

Interesting concept.  You could use a wider variety of bullet shapes, compared to a tube-feed repeater, even pointy ones. :wink:   Do you have an address for your gunsmith?  Or perhaps some design schematics?

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2004, 01:06:52 PM »
Thank you Ed.  Again, I see the same reasons I've always enjoyed your articles, complete explanations and practical creativity.  Thank you, again. BH

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2004, 07:29:25 AM »
John Taylor
Taylor Machine
3625 Cheney Spangle Rd.
Spangle, WA 99031

 http://www.johntaylormachine.com/
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2004, 03:23:54 AM »
If anybody wants one, last night I noticed Davidson's has a run of 500 Marlin 1894 cowboy rifles available in 32-20. The list price is way up there, near $800, but locally one of our shops will sell it for $550 or so, so there must be a whole lot of markup built into the prices! I found them during a search on galleryofguns.com, neat looking rifles!
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2004, 09:33:20 AM »
Not sure about the 32 H&R ( I know they are making one in that NOW). But the 1894CL is a sexy little gun. I have a 32/20 and 25/20 and wouldn't part with them.................................................................................................................................except for maybe TWINS.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2004, 03:09:41 PM »
Nobade, the "soon to be" 1894CB in 32H&R carries a MSRP of $895 on galleryofguns so that short run of 32-20's isn't too far off.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2004, 06:58:46 AM »
Even if you bought a new H&R single-barrel to cobble up, you could have the single-shot built for a bit less than half the price of the new levergun.  That even figures in the cost of a barrel blank to make an entirely new barrel from scratch, rather than lining the shotgun barrel, and putting decnet sights on it, such as the XS systems.

That way you still have use of the shotgun, and having the two-barrel combo makes a nice outfit.  Heck, you could even send off the shotgun barrel and have it tubed and stay well under the cost of the Marlin.
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