Author Topic: Scatter gun? (Read 3077 times)

Will52100 · « **on:** June 01, 2004, 05:31:05 PM »

I'm in the market for a side hammer double barrel preferably with removable choke tubes and real working rebounding hammers that shoots good and is reliable and won't break the bank.

I've seen the Bounty hunter? I think it is, is this a good one?

Thanks,

Will

Holiday · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2004, 11:30:34 AM »

I don't have any personal experiance with the hammered gun, but the hammerless Bounty Hunters have a good rep with the CAS crowd. The first hammered guns they made were not tru hammered guns, though. The outside hammer simply cocked the internal strikers. But the latest models have tru external hammers. Just be sure to check befor you buy!

RB Rooson · « **Reply #2 on:** June 07, 2004, 12:08:23 PM »

Classic Cowboy Shooter up the street just bought a Chinese Shotgun and it was NOT a Norinco!!

We were both very impressed with it - seemed to be very well-built, easier to handle and carried the name "ZHONG-ZHUE" on it. If I had my druthers and I shot Classic Cowboy, I would buy this one. It was about 1/3 less at the Gun Shop (c. $200.00) than the Norinco and was fairly slick out of the box.

The hammers were well-mounted and the gun carried alittle more weight than the Norinco, but seemed to swing up and point much quicker.

Would be interested if any other Cowboys have come across this shotgun and their opinions.........

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #3 on:** June 08, 2004, 05:24:44 AM »

Howdy,

There are several newly manufactured hammer guns available. There are a few Chinese guns coming in.. the Norinco 99 and it's cousins, which are coming in under new importers. These are inexpensive and sturdy. Then there is the TTN 1878 Colt replica. This will be my next purchase.

Also, the Bounty Hunter with real hammers is nice, just be sure you get the one with REAL working hammers and not cocking levers, for Classic Cowboy.

Finally, the Liberty II is a beautiful gun and once I get my 1878 and antique it, the LII would be my next choice. The case coloring is very nice and some of the wood I've seen is spectacular.

And don't discount the older guns around. There are good fluid steel barrel scatterguns around. Good luck.
Adios,

Will52100 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2004, 05:27:52 PM »

Got the "true hammer" bounty hunter II on order, unfortunatly it'll take a couple weeks to get one.

Thanks guys

Cheyenne Ranger · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2004, 08:31:06 AM »

Keep us posted--would like to know what you think of it.

ÇR

Will52100 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2004, 06:47:30 PM »

Will do, though it looks like it'll take a month or better to get one.

Old Griz · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2004, 10:08:28 PM »

:cb2: It just don't seem right participating in a such an American sport as Cowboy Action Shooting with a gun made by those murdering communist Chinese. If what they do to their own people isn't enough, the fact that they supported Clinton - and that he did so much for them - is enough to keep me from buying one.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:33:53 AM »

Uh, Griz,

Wat American manufactures ar making a mule ear these days and how much does one cost? :?

Old Griz · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:17:47 AM »

:cb2: To my knowledge, American manufactures? None. The cost? Morals, integrity, and conviction. Everyone has different standards, and reasons for doing and believing what they do.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:27:10 AM »

But using guns made by the Italians.. that's ok..
And using guns made by Ruger.. that's ok too..
Even using guns made by Russia and Brazil.. that's fine..
But China? What's the difference?

I believe Russia killed millions not that long ago.
Brazil.. that's where the Nazi's took their gunmaking skills before Germany fell.
Ruger capitulated to the gun-grabbers.
And those Italian gunmakers were helping gun down our boys in WWII.
So is it just that China is the most recent?

How about we play cowboy and leave politics to another place, especially when nobody asked for your political view. Adios,

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:43:37 AM »

I have a Bounty Hunter with real hammers. It's a good gun. I use a hammerless Bounty Hunter for my regular CAS shotgun and got the hammered version for black powder shooting (Frontiersman etc.) or just in case I wanted to someday shoot Classic.

The gun is well made, fits together well and seems rugged. The barrels stay all the way open by themselves (which the hammerless BH won't do without work) and the hammers will cock with the gun open (some hammered guns won't). Shells shuck out with ease and the thing hits where I point it. All in all this shotgun is a good deal and I expect it to serve well.

Old Griz · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2004, 12:38:40 PM »

:cb2: Big Hext, all I can say is,

"But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint." - Edmund Burke

Or do you really mean it?

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2004, 01:42:57 PM »

I'm sure that Burke meant it.. and I like the quote.. because moderate behavior is what gets us all through life.

But I also have thoughts of my own that I shared, for which I guess you have no response.
Adios,

Old Griz · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:35:49 PM »

:cb2: There is no doubt that Burke meant it, but my response is asking if YOU really mean it. You are the one using it. Adios.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:39:19 PM »

I tell ya what.. While I think on my answer.. how about you answer some of my questions.. or is it easier to switch subjects?

Old Griz · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:08:15 PM »

:cb2: I would, but I'm kinda puzzled.

We hated the Nazis, the Italians, and the Russians fifty to sixty years ago (depending on the war), and we should have hated the Brazilians for supporting the Nazis. But it's OK to buy their stuff, and support them now?

Today it's China and Bill Ruger, so is it wrong to buy Chinese and Ruger products today, or do we have to wait 50 years, or some unknown point in the future, to do so?

BUT, if it's OK to support the Chinese government NOW, then was it OK to support Nazis, and the Italians while they were shooting down our boys?

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2004, 03:04:50 AM »

For the love of Pete... do you read what you type?

I don't hate anybody, and I think we should buy what works for each of us.. not what some folks is politically correct.

And I must have missed any recent events. When did the Chinese last shoot at our boys? Korea or Vietnam? Those are both at least 30 years ago. So what is the beef with China?

I'm not trying to knock heads with you.. I'm pointing out how personal politics doesn't work on a public board, especially when you start throwing around words like morals and integrity.

Old Griz · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:49:56 AM »

:cb2:
First of all, putting it as simply as I can, I was just commenting that it was a sad state of affairs that we cant play and all American game like CAS without buying communist Chinese toys. At fault here are American manufacturers who ignore us because they cant compete with the cheap foreign products. (China, for example uses slave labor in some of their factories, labor costs are naturally low.)

I had a friend at Tiananmen Square in 1989. He was, and still is, part of the Pro Democracy movement in China. If Tiananmen Square is too far back to remember, the Chinese government sent in tanks and truck filled with troops to slaughter thousands of students, and placed thousands more in slave labor camps for daring to want a voice in government. My colleague and his wife barely escaped with their lives. They were hunted, but with help, escaped to the United States.

I say all this to simply say that I will not, because of my morally values, willingly buy anything made in China. If you will re-read what I said, you will see that I did not condemn anyone that does. I stated, If what they do to their own people isn't enough, the fact that they supported Clinton and that he did so much for them is enough to keep me from buying one. I didnt mean to offend anyone, or ridicule moral values.

And when I mentioned morals and integrity, if you will re-read that I said, Everyone has different standards, and reasons for doing and believing what they do. I wasnt going to go into any details, like I did here, but somehow you seem to be offended that I mentioned these two words publicly. I just thought it interesting that I shouldnt be able to mention them when you have a signature that speaks of wisdom and virtue. Its OK for YOU to express standards and a code of conduct, but not me. Once upon a time morals and integrity played a major role in American life. It was what made us a great nation. Now that its politically incorrect to have or teach moral absolutes and values, we have the degradation of our society that continues to get worse. Hopefully we dont toss them aside, even when we play cowboy.

I hope I dont have to explain anything about Clinton. (Unless youre a Democrat.)

No one said a word about Chinese shooting down anybody. YOU made a reference to the Italians in WWII. Not me. You lumped the Nazis, Italians, Brazilians, Ruger and the Chinese all together. That was YOUR argument.

Sorry to take so much space. You said you wanted answers. It was never my intent to offend anyone, or force (or have to explain), any standards or code of conduct on anyone. Sorry it snowballed.

Big Hext Finnigan · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:46:56 AM »

Fair enough.
I just don't want anybody to feel like they are looked down on because they shoot a cheap gun.. from anywhere. It's hard enough to get folks started out in this game.

I also wish that American companies made cowboy guns. I guess the next best thing is that the cowboy way is being pushed out there to those places where the guns are being made.

Have a good day..

RB Rooson · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2004, 04:17:01 PM »

Old Griz,

When anyone shows up at a CAS Match in West Tennesee and is shooting a Norinco or other Chinese made shotgun - do you make comments to them?

Just how far does your moral stance go? Do you do it "face to face" with them standing right there in front of you? What is their reaction to your beliefs?

Just wondering.........as things are much easier said and done on the Internet......kind of that anonymity thing, ya' know!

Big Hext, I got yer back.........! :lol:

bearblade · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2004, 03:30:56 AM »

Being from Michigan, I know the value of American industry (my hometown has a huge Mead paper plant in it). I will not lie and say that I buy all american all the time; nonetheless, I do buy American as much as possible when it is convenient. I stick to Fords and Chevys, I drink Faygo soda when I can, I even attempt to order books from American authors when I can tell the difference. I don't think it is so much a hate of other countries (although I do have a slight missile-induced distaste for Iraq): it is a desire to further American industry and to help our own friends and family first. I will admit that I've bought things from Iraqis (such as an Iraqi bayonet), but I still try to buy American whenever possible. Although I would prefer to buy an American shotgun (or other firearm); if I can't find what I need, I will (reluctantly) buy foreign.

Will52100 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2004, 07:58:24 AM »

I'm with you bearblade, I would love to buy American, but if I cant' find it or the quality isn't there I will buy foreign, though I will still be wishing for American made.

Old Griz · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:10:48 PM »

:cb2: Sorry I've offended you, RB.

No one at any CAS match knows I feel this way about the Chinese government because I never bring it up. I am not trying to force my beliefs on anyone as I have already stated. I wasn't even going to bring up anything here until Big Hext challenged the issue. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You may not agree with me, and that's fine. I'm not belittling anyone, nor do I want anyone to feel badly about owning any particular gun. You can buy stock in COSCO for all I care. There are motels I won't stay in, companies I will not buy from, or patronize, and even some charitable organizations I will not support because of moral convictions. Not just Chinese guns. But as long as Old Glory still waves, and the Constitution is still the law of the land, I have the right to these beliefs, as do you to yours. Again, sorry mine irritated you so.

And again, however, it is a shame that such an all American sport has to rely on so many foreign manufacturers. (Even some who are totally opposed to what the American cowboy stands for.)

kid buckskin · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2010, 04:31:52 PM »

Wain chung ?!?! Go for good old made in the usa

pastorp · « **Reply #25 on:** March 06, 2010, 06:37:20 PM »

I don't shoot CAS but I do shoot a winchester 97 pump gun and a parker hammer gun. There are good american guns suitable for CAS shoots, they just cost more. Better or not I don't know but I like them better than the foreign stuff.

I think like in most areas of our society money is the controlling factor and some people will take the cheaper route.

personally I don't want my shotgun to say Norinco on it. My friend has tried to convince me for years that his Norenco 1911 is as good as my colt but I'm not buying it.

Regards,

The Hermit · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2010, 04:08:28 PM »

I'm kinda new at CAS, so my question is probably dumb. Do the double barrel shotguns have to have hammers or would a Stevens double barrel be appropriate also? Thanks in advance.

The Hermit

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2010, 08:01:03 AM »

Yer Stevens would be jist fine fer SASS matches.

90north · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2010, 01:08:10 PM »

Old Griz, just curious, are you a SASS member or a CAS shooter?