MSP<----- if you want a good gun for kids, the 410 tamer is a great choice. its nice and light, and it has a 20 inch full choke barrel, that patterns really well with remington #7.5 express load in a 3 inch. and the shell storage in the butt stock is also a good thing. matter a fact my son's tamer has become my camp gun, its so easy to keep two brenneke slugs, and 2 rounds of birdshot right in the stock, and ready to use. only my 2 cents, but they are really fun to shoot, and nice and light. but i did put a black slip on recoil pad on this one, only because the lenth of pull was too short for me, but it is just right for the kids :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: