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Offline daddywpb

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« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2004, 11:20:28 PM »
CW,

I hunted for years only during the general gun season. About 20 years ago, it dawned on me that if I joined the ML hunters, I could have an extra month in the woods every year, so I bought a 45 cal T/C Hawken, and I still have it and shoot it. About three years ago, I had another revolation, and bought a PSE Whitetail Extreme bow (and one for my daughter & hunting partner also), and now I can hunt from late August untill late January. I also bought my daughter a CVA Youth Hunter 50 cal sidelock. Last year, my wife bought me a T/C Omega, and this year I'll be using it. I don't THINK anyone is trying to make you agree with their personal preferences. I like to hunt, and I enjoy being in the woods. I wish that the state of Florida would add a primitive ML season here - I'd use my old Hawken, and be out for that too. Anywho, I think it's great to add numbers to the ranks of our sport, regardless of what they want to carry into the field. Just two more quick points I'd like to make:

1) Revolations only seem to come to me about 20 years or so???????

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2) You're right - I HATE CARROTS!

Good shooting to everyone!

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« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2004, 04:41:06 AM »
daddywpb,

That was good, thank you for the laugh.

May you and yours have the best hunting season possible.  I wish you great shooting success.

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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2004, 05:33:54 AM »
I have hunted with an ML exclusively for the last 4 years... during every season it was legal to carry a firearm. This last year I chose to hunt with a conical and #11 cap gun... it just so happens that ML is a White inline. I  have never had so much fun with an ML, slinging those 460 gr conicals down range.

The packaging is different but it is still a conical gun, based upon Whitworth's guns, designed to specifically use conicals and #11 caps. Is it primitive because of it's ignition, bullet type, and rainbow trajectory? Some would say, yes. Others would say, no, but only because of how it looks. It has never failed to go off... well, there was that time with a couple of bad caps.

I know this has been said before, but I think Doc White said it best:

"Now a true traditionalist doesn't shoot a machine made gun, it has to be hand done, just like the stitching on his clothes. But for the majority, the fact that modern sidelocks, just like in-lines, are made utilizing modern industrial techniques, and are wax cast, sintered, cup cutter carved, CNC machined, machine inletted, sanded, and finished, could matter less. In fact, modern in-lines and sidelocks are made on the same machines for the bigger part and are all the more closely related by that fact."

The majority of today's "trad" ML's are only modern semi-replica guns. Based loosely on what was used back whenever, because back then everything was a custom, hand-made job. The "trad" ML's of today are more closely related to "in-lines" than they are the ML's of back whenever. They are more reliable, have better steel, and tighter tolerances in the majority of cases. They perform every bit as well as an in-line when the shooter does his part, just as the in-line will perform every bit as well the "replica" ML when the shooter does his part.

I do not like the broad brush strokes some of the radical, extremist, replica shooters paint with. For the simple reason that my concical, #11 cap ML does not look like what they personally like.

Have fun with what you like to shoot... but keep your personal animosities to yourself. Share the joy of your personal preferences without cutting down others and judging others because they wish to take advantage of a special season.

Every season comes under the same heading - Hunting. That is what it is all about... if the primitive season is all about getting into the woods with a primitive weapon and not about the hunting, then go stalking around in the summer. It all boils down to the possibility of coming back with game... that is why we go, that is the foundation... HUNTING.
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« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2004, 06:00:56 AM »
Flatland Hunter,

Yes you are correct in your post and in what was written.  There are some that have and shoot hand made rifles.  But the cost is prohibitive to us retired types.  We have to shoot with what we can afford.  If a rifle was made by hand and was the duplicate of a 1840's era rifle and was affordable, I would buy it.  But there are only so many gunsmiths, and they need to live off what they make.  I only wish that I could afford one.

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Share the joy of your personal preferences without cutting down others and judging others because they wish to take advantage of a special season.

 
I also agree with this.  But communication between two people is an exchange of ideals, tastes, desires and information.  Is it possible that we can exchange our beliefs concerning hunting and equipment without anger?
I would like to think so.  

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« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2004, 06:09:32 AM »
About 15 yrs ago I started huntng with my rondy gun, a 50 cal semi custom flintlock and round balls, worked well for the brushy areas I hunt but after a few years, I started having trouble seeing the rear sight clearly, so I cut another dovetail in the barrel a little closer to the front sight and moved the rear buckhorn a little farther from my eye, that worked for a few more years, then I started having trouble seeing it clearly...In '98 I slowed down on rondys but continued hunting with the flinter but I had to change the rear sight to a peep sight or quit using iron sights completely. While I was at it, I added a fire sight to the front making for a very usable hunting gun but still good for my old eyes. Ultimately, since I was using non-traditional sights anyway, I ended up buying a black diamond and installing peep sights and it has gone hunting with me the last couple years. I still enjoy the flinter but I also enjoy the inline, having a variety of hunting tools is a nice opportunity, I can hunt the regular rifle season with what ever tool I choose since here in Washington, the ML seasons leave a lot to be desired. We've got a lot of clear cuts in the areas we hunt and choosing to hunt a clear cut for an evening or morning is an option but the MLs are not my choice then, so I take my BLR on those hunts. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's nice to have some variety in the weapons we choose and the hunt is really what is important rather than if we actually kill anything or how we do it.
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« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2004, 06:35:01 AM »
quickdtoo, I agree with you 100%. When my eyes start failing me, as much as I would hate to give up shooting a traditional ML and switch solly to a scope or modified sight, I would do it. I have a lot of guns I shoot open sights, from my Remington Rolling block, Shiloh Sharps and my T/C Renegade. If I had to modify any of them I would just for the love of shooting and hunting.  :grin:
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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2004, 06:44:48 AM »
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I guess that I have always had a grudge with those who just want the deer and not the experience.


Hi Crow-feather - I can't say I have any ill feelings toward such people, but it doesn't describe me at all. The experience is always far more important than the deer. But there is much more to the experience than the equipment we choose. The people that share the hunt are more important to me.

I'll start deer hunting with my bow when the AL bow season opens. I'll hope for a good buck, but I'll mainly be trying to take out some does. When the ML season comes in, I'll probably be looking exclusively for a shooter buck, as that will be the best chance at one until January. I'll be doing the same the 1st week of gun season, using my .308. Then I'll start taking my 14" Contender and trying to thin does until the rut comes in, and will probably switch back to the .308 - unless I have already taken a good buck. If I have, I may stick with the Contender the rest of the season. I will not use the ML again after the special season ends - I don't like the hassle of fooling with it. I use it only because it is what is legal. If they had a special SKS season, I suppose I would get one of those. :)

Obviously, I'm more gun oriented than the average hunter. There are times when I use a certain gun just because I want to. Maybe I'll develop a feeling for the ML as time goes along; right now I don't have it.

But that doesn't mean I'm only interested in the kill. Here's an article I wrote a few years back. It probably explains what I'm talking about as far as the hunting experience and the people involved being more important than the gun or the kill. Take care.

http://home.mindspring.com/~sdyess/stevespersonalsite/id1.html

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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2004, 07:04:06 AM »
poorcountrypreacher, very good read.
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« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2004, 08:35:00 AM »
poorcountrypreacher,

One thing that really bothers me is that I don't have near the ability to write a message as well as you.  That was great.

Sometimes a first post dosen't read as well as it should or I just plain read it wrong.  What a great message I received because you were willing to explain yourself.  Thank you so very much.  I bet you deliver one heck of a sermon.

But I warn you, after a few hunts with that muzzle loader, your gonna be hooked.


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« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2004, 09:32:56 AM »
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But I warn you, after a few hunts with that muzzle loader, your gonna be hooked.


LOL - Thanks Crow-Feather and RedHawk; glad you enjoyed the story. It was published in AL Whitetails and Bass Magazine and they promptly went out of business; maybe some connection there. :)

But I did hunt for 2 days with the ML last year. We had a special 3 day season last year, but no scopes were allowed. Now that was a real hadicap for me; I couldn't shoot the thing at all with open sites; my 50 yr old eyes saw about 4 different sets of sites. I bought a receiver peep site and felt confident out to 100 -125 yds if everything was just right. I shot the 1st doe that came by and that Barnes bullet did a number on her. I hunted for a buck after that without success.

My biggest problem with my ML is still trying to clean the thing. I don't enjoy any kind of cleaning, and I'm afraid that will always be a negative with BP hunting for me. But who knows; I may be wearing a coonskin cap and own nothing but flintlocks in a few years. :)

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« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2004, 12:00:56 PM »
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Or maybe for those of us in shotgun states, we don't like shotguns.  I know I don't


I understand>  I covered that in my second post on this thread regarding our Michigan member.

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Could really care less about the CO ml season.


Never thought you should care.  Just an example of how the spirit of something can be overwhelmed by greed and the end results is that it simply no longer exists.

What you an I seem to have i common is that with or without a ml season tag, I'm usually off on at least one gbig game hunt with ml in hand regardless of the fact that the season was designed for regular rifle hunters.  Having done this, as have I, you are probably as aware as myself that when you are out there in the rifle season you just don't see any other ml guns.  At least I don't.

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« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2004, 05:32:07 AM »
I shoot both inlines and traditional style rifles and all the rest too.  I do have a negative thing to say about modernizing both shotguns and muzzleloaders.   Here in Texas the public hunting lands are overcome with special regulations mostly in the name of safety.  Many were shotgun and ML only for a while then advances in bullet types in both weapons extended their range many areas were changed to bow only instead of to smoothbore shotguns and roundball only muzzleloaders.  Now I hunt these areas with my bow and I have far less opportunity to use any muzzleloader.
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« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2004, 07:47:30 AM »
WOW! Haven't been on in a while and now this mess. Intolerance on here is already a known condition..........lost a few good ones on this thread so far.......jumping on UC was very poor form............... Randys gone now too huh?


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