Author Topic: SA revolver question concerning Pale Rider movie (Read 1680 times)

paladyn · « **on:** May 05, 2004, 05:28:59 AM »

Hello.
I don't know where to post this. I was watching Pale Rider starring Eastwood again last night, and noticed the black powder revolver he had. He would exchange cylinders when he reloaded. Can anyone tell me what weapon that was?
And if you know that, how do you load the cylinders?
I'm rather unfamiliar with black powder revolvers.
Thanks in advance.

twodollarpistol · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2004, 06:08:39 AM »

These were 1851 ( I believe ) Remington cap and ball revolvers that had been converted to metallic cartridge by boring the cylinder chambers though, then modifying the standing breach and hammer for center fire. Several cylinders could be loaded ahead of time and changed just as you saw in the movie. Just a side note this could be, and was, done with the original cap and ball cylinders to speed up reloading. This was a common practice during the war of northern aggression. :wink:

paladyn · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2004, 06:24:21 AM »

Thank you very much! The first time I saw him reload (I had forgotten it since it's been years since watching the film) I thought it was one of the coolest systems I've ever seen.

paladyn · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2004, 05:23:29 AM »

Are there any ball and cap revolvers available today on the market utilizing this system?

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:52:57 AM »

You can get extra cylinders for the Colt reproductions at least. I believe the same holds true for the Remingtons. Usually that option is available when you buy the pistol.

-WH-

twodollarpistol · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2004, 08:02:45 AM »

I do not know for sure if you can get extra cylinders for the reproductions because the breech face and hammer must be modified, unless you are speaking of the percussion cylinders. In that case the answer is yes but they may have to be fitted. The Colt copies don't work very well for this because you have to drift out a barrel wedge and remove the barrel to remove the cylinder. This is not the case for the Remingtons. You can get repro pistols that are factory modified for metallic cartridge. You can also get a new two piece centerfire cylinder for the Ruger Old Army in .45 Scofield caliber. This is a drop in assembly that looks very interesting. Cowboy action shooters really like them.

paladyn · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2004, 05:34:18 AM »

Thanks for the info. I love those revolvers. Those and the Sharps rifle in Quigley Down Under are my favorites.

RadioTech · « **Reply #7 on:** May 08, 2004, 06:52:54 AM »

Check out the Uberti and Pietta revolvers at Midway. They come as a black powder revolver in the Remington style frame. You can get a cylinder from Midway that drops into the frame in place of the black powder cylinder chambered in .45 Long Colt.
I bought one and it is great.
The cylinder has a back cover that encloses a firing pin for each chamber, this means the gun it self is not modified and you can switch back and forth between muzzle loaded cylinder and cartridge cylinder.
The cylinder isn't cheap but it makes a great Cowboy action shooter and if you save up and buy a couple of extra cylinders you can be the Pale Rider.

rodmeister · « **Reply #8 on:** May 08, 2004, 03:03:23 PM »

Clint reloading his pistol in "Pale Rider" was one of the coolest examples of gun handling I've ever seen in a movie. I've read it's a dangerous practice for sport shooting though, because if the cylinder is accidentally dropped, a cap would likely ignite and send a bullet flying. In a combat situation in the Civil War or Indian Wars, I'd risk it for the added firepower.

paladyn · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2004, 10:07:45 AM »

I would too. And I'll be checking out the revolvers at Midway.
Thanks for that info.

Jim n Iowa · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2004, 02:34:10 PM »

twodollar
"Northern Aggression" I like that, has a nice touch.
Jim

Wes Hardin · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:31:21 PM »

Rodmiester

Another example of cool gun handling, I was watching Stagecoach with John Wayne on TV last night. In the scene where the Indians are chasing the staagecoach, they show one of the Indians shooting and reloading a trapdoor Springfield on a horse at full gallop. I think that is pretty good gun handling.

Wes Hardin · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:38:07 PM »

Jim n Iowa

Not to say that either side was right or wrong, but "Northern Aggression"? After all, the South fired the first shot.

paladyn · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:27:51 AM »

I've always read the states had the right to secede. The War Between The States was about rejecting that right and forcing states who didn't want to stay in the union to stay.
I would view that war as Northern Agression also. I would not agree with the Southern states wanting slavery, but they had the right to form their own nation from what I've read and that right was denied.
Similar to the way the government is denying rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights today.

twodollarpistol · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:54:08 AM »

Quote from: Wes Hardin

Jim n Iowa

Not to say that either side was right or wrong, but "Northern Aggression"? After all, the South fired the first shot.

It HAD to be in self defense Jim. Im sure somebody said something about somebody elses sister. It was a matter of honor. I might not always be right, but by golly I aint never wrong. :-D :-D

Dan Chamberlain · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2004, 03:03:55 PM »

Go to www.cabelas.com and check out their remingtons. They offer extra cylinders for them. Also, never change a cylinder out with the percussion caps in place on the nipples! Baddddd idea.

Dan C

Augustus McCrae · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2004, 04:52:58 PM »

Believe that was a 58 Remington New Model Army. Two companies make conversion cylinders that allow you to shoot .45lc.

Krazyhorse · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2004, 10:03:42 AM »

paladyn:
Augustus McCrae is right,it was an 1858 Remington. You should get one, they are a blast to shoot. If you use the triple7 powder, they aren't quite as messy either.

silverback · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2004, 11:35:26 PM »

I have a pietta stainless 1858, I know,its sacrilege,but it cleans up easy. I've always used 30 gr. FFF under a .454 ball, this leaves the balls deep in the throats so to speak.

I've heard they shoot better with a full charge, but have always been a bit nervous about loading it heavy or using heavier bullets. seems to shoot real well, lotsa fun.

What charge/ bullet do you like in your 1858?

Krazyhorse · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2004, 05:02:07 AM »

silverback:
I use 30gr of triple7 and a 140gr .454 ball with a wonder wad in between. It also seats the ball deep into the cylinder. I've read about using different things, such as corn meal, as a buffer or filler to increase the volume inside the cylinders but haven't ever tried it. Not sure how important it is, maybe somebody with more experience will let us know.

ironfoot · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2004, 05:31:34 PM »

Don't mean to sidetrack this thread, but it was not a war of northern aggression. It was a rebellion to preserve slavery. That is well documented. Lincoln was elected on a Republican anti-slavery platform. When he was elected the southern slave states seceded.

paladyn · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2004, 10:45:45 AM »

Speaking of Wayne, I saw Sons of Katie Elder a couple of weeks ago, and he fires at least 15 rounds from his 6 gun without visibly reloading at the end of the film.

I do have to get at least one of those 1858s....

Wijbrandus · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2004, 03:05:51 AM »

Quote from: ironfoot

Don't mean to sidetrack this thread, but it was not a war of northern aggression. It was a rebellion to preserve slavery. That is well documented. Lincoln was elected on a Republican anti-slavery platform. When he was elected the southern slave states seceded.

History is written by the victors.

I don't agree with slavery, but I don't believe the war was over it either. That's simply the politically correct version taught these days.

The war between the states was a war over state's rights vs. a growing federal government. Slavery was one of the issues, but not the only one by a longshot.

I can see this and I'm a westerner who wasn't even born in this country. So no "Southern Tradition" here.

Gregory · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2004, 03:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Wijbrandus

Quote from: ironfoot
Don't mean to sidetrack this thread, but it was not a war of northern aggression. It was a rebellion to preserve slavery. That is well documented. Lincoln was elected on a Republican anti-slavery platform. When he was elected the southern slave states seceded.

History is written by the victors.

I don't agree with slavery, but I don't believe the war was over it either. That's simply the politically correct version taught these days.

The war between the states was a war over state's rights vs. a growing federal government. Slavery was one of the issues, but not the only one by a longshot.

I can see this and I'm a westerner who wasn't even born in this country. So no "Southern Tradition" here.

You can get your fill of this topic in the Forum:
"Civil War aka the War of Northern Aggression" it's under the Black Powder List. I've been there and don't intend to go back.

inluvwithsara · « **Reply #24 on:** July 09, 2004, 05:25:51 AM »

The interesting thing is that slavery was in the North, but not on the scale...
Ok, in cities, when you had slaves, they were maids, cooks, butler types...
in the south, you had a farms of huge sizes with sometimes 100s of slaves...twasn't right, but that issue alone you could see why the south was much more effected by the Idea...
Yes, slavery is evil...the war was a huge waste of life...(few war's aren't) but from my view, in government, power and alegence goes, town then county then state then fed...things work smoother that way...yes Federal guidance...if VA was to be invaded, I still would defend her...(exeptions exist of course)
Laws for DC don't always work for Billings MT.

The Shrink · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2004, 09:22:23 AM »

Gentlemen

In this case the history was not written by the victors. South Carolina published it's reasons for succession. I find it illumiinating that each and every one of those reasons mentions slavery. I believe that our "history" of the Civil War is more influenced by the South today than the Northern Cause.

Wayne the Shrink

There is no 'right' that requires me to work for you or you to work for me.