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Offline Bob_K

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T/C Encore 209x50 and smokeless powder
« on: January 15, 2003, 02:09:23 PM »
Nope, never have.  The frame may handle smokeless, even the barrel might.  Significant doubts about the breech plug, though.  Heck, it's already got a hole in it!  Do I want a high pressure gas jet coming back at me, even if it is deflected by the standing breech?  You don't think the 209 primer forms a gas tight seal, do you?
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T/C Encore 209x50 and smokeless powder
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2003, 03:24:29 PM »
John- The strength of the barrel or the receiver is irrelavant, the reason smokeless frag's BP arms often killing or seriously maiming the shooter and anyone foolish enough to be nearby, is that smokeless powder is not designed to be used in a vented environment period.
  I also think that if you take the time to learn how to use and appreciate real Black Powder you'll find it's a truly wonderful propellant with many advantages over smokeless, not to mention the type of firearm you're talking about has definative limitations that make the use of smokeless in it totally irrelevant.
   The only real advantage I can conceive of in shooting smokeless in a Muzzleloader not specifically designed for it, is the Darwinian aspect of gene pool improvement, and it can be extremely lucretive for the surviving family members as even though the tragedy was completely the result of idiocy on the part of the shooter, juries will often award huge financial settlements to the estate, because the manufacturer didn't find a way to make it impossible for the victim to perform the fatal act.
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T/C Encore 209x50 and smokeless powder
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2003, 12:16:47 PM »
Fred explained it pretty well. Most inlines are STRONG enough to take smokless powder loads. They are just not designed for it. I realize it's something that is a challenge and would be kinda neat. I did it once using a sealed barrel and electric igniters inside. There was no nipple.
In my old age I've kind of gone back. I still use inlines and T7 but I am switching back very fast to good old black powder and flinters.

I have a Spanish Mauser chambered for 308. I don't shoot factory stuff in it, I shoot lighter loads that duplicate the 308 it was ment to shoot...the point of this is USE THE LOAD AND POWDER THE GUN WAS MADE FOR. This applies to breechloader, muzzleloaders, ray guns, etc.

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T/C Encore 209x50 and smokeless powder
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2003, 06:29:05 PM »
:D   I think the term that I have used for so many years is that you dont wanna be one of those that is genetically predisposed to making poor life decisions.  Now...........If you are one of those type of people,as fredj  so  pointedly expressed on,you will try it.  The end result is self explanitory.  I always figure that if a gun says BLACK POWDER,OR BP SUBTITUTES ONLY,that is what you do,anything else comes under the above heading.  As for the bbl being safe under the use of smokeless,my answer to that is no.  If they had been safe,then they would not be in parts,and the idiots nickname is not lefty one eye..................if he was very lucky.....King
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